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How Much Was A Penny Worth In 1793?

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 Posted 06/27/2013  01:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list

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I need a reputable source that says something along the lines "A penny in 1793 could buy you something for $5 in today's current market."


Is condor101 a reputable source here on CCF? I think so, and hopefully your teacher will too! Nice explanation condor101, Well done.
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 Posted 06/27/2013  05:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add buddy16cat to your friends list
From what I read conversion can be difficult since some products were just not available. Some products were very expensive like clothes since they were hand woven. Here are tavern menus from the time menu, this could help:
www.foodtimeline.org/foodfaq5.html#tavern
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 Posted 06/27/2013  09:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldSkoolMadSkilz to your friends list
A nights stay at an inn cost about the same as a beer? Bet they didn't let you keep the little soaps.
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 Posted 06/27/2013  09:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
My suggestion would be to change your ideas to how time changed the value of a cent. How a cent may well have purchased something back in 1793 but now due to so many changes in our society, that cent is almost worthless. And although a beer back then may have cost a few cents, today some beers still cost very little and some cost several dollars. If you think about it, so many things have escalated in cost from then to now but many have hardly changed in cost at all. Might be interesting to see just how many items or services you could find that are still within the same approximate costs.
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 Posted 06/27/2013  2:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmkendall to your friends list
I have some old Church minutes from 1829. In it the workmen who built the church were paid 1 and 3/4 of a cent a hour.

Let's put that into perspective. In 1829, land was selling for $2 an acre. So at 7/4 a day, divided by 800/4 for an acre of land, it would take a little over 114 hours to earn enough money to buy an acre of land. Or a bit over 11 days wages. And that sounds reasonable. Especially when you realize that it would have taken longer than that since they would have had to pay for food and drink, and other sundries and necessities.

This Link will show some of the cost in the British Army, I would suspect out coinage would have similiar value since they were all based on the same weights of copper at the time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Briti...enth_century

This link gives a good overview on the cost of a loaf of bread. http://www.johnhearfield.com/History/Breadt.htm

Essentially a loaf of bread in 1800 cost 1 and a Half Cents. In 1793 it would have cost the same.

Hope this helps
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A nights stay at an inn cost about the same as a beer? Bet they didn't let you keep the little soaps.


Did they have little soaps back then? I doubt it, probably had to pay extra for a bath back then, and in dirty water as well.
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 Posted 06/27/2013  5:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmkendall to your friends list
I can see another difficulty. If you equate a Two Cents to a loaf of bread, then you could say that a penny is worth 50 times more now than then. On the other hand if you equate 2 cents to an 1/100 of the price of an acre of land. And that same acre is currently worth about $6000, then a cent of 1793 would be worth $30.

Bread is cheaper now than then, with more volume for the mills, and the processes industrialized. So while the comparisons are interesting, they are not direct. The same with Cement which used to be very labor intensive and so very expensive. But with industialization is now very very cheap.

I would think land is a good vehicle for your comparison.
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 Posted 06/27/2013  6:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list
Well, back then you could probably buy
at least a pint of strawberries for one cent.
If that one cent was a strawberry and it was handed down
through generations up until today then that one cent would be worth about 250K
I know this does not help you out much but it was fun anyway

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 Posted 06/27/2013  7:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list
Tough to draw a direct comparison but a good guess is somewhere between 50 cents and one dollar equivalent buying power. Depends, of course, on what you are buying. Transportation across great distances would, for example, be extraordinarily expensive and risky relative to modern equivalents. Getting to California in 1793 from New York would be comparable to taking a trip into space.
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 Posted 06/27/2013  9:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list
A key thing to keep in mind is wages were about 40 cents a day for those few who labored for money. Many were indentured and did not see much of that money. Most people worked on the farm, were self sufficient, and had little or no need for currency. It isn't like you could earn $7 an hour back then and enjoy buying all kinds of cheap stuff
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 Posted 06/28/2013  10:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add billymac11 to your friends list
I think the posters focusing on the purchasing power in that era vs a straight mathematical calculation of historic inflation rates aggregated over time is the way to go. Various products and services are priced wildly different in today's world than in the early days of the republic.

Remember that in the far past, salt was so valuable they paid roman soldiers their salary ("salary" has same etymological root as "salt") in salt. Now you can get salt for almost pennies as extraction, refining, marketing, and transportation technologies have been perfected and have driven its value and cost down.

I'd say the key to getting the answer you need is finding one or more documented examples from the 1790s as far as what a commonly purchased product or service cost and contrast that with the perceived value of one cent today.
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 Posted 06/28/2013  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broken-Coin to your friends list

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I need a reputable source that says something along the lines "A penny in 1793 could buy you something for $5 in today's current market."


I just bookmarked this thread as part of my Ephemera Collection includes Documents, Receipts, newspapers, etc. from Colonial America.

When I have the time I'll pull it out of storage and see what may be of interest to you, then post photos.

It is still possible to purchase genuine USA newspapers from the 1790's for $25.00+ price range (depending on condition) and it is not uncommon to read articles from Pres. of the United States ; G. Washington.
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 Posted 06/28/2013  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list
This is an excellent reference I used some data from it to come up with the 50 cent estimate:

http://books.google.com/books/about...OpIeAQAAIAAJ
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 Posted 06/28/2013  10:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jack jeckel to your friends list
Another reason why coin collecting is a link to history.

Imagine how many acres you could buy with 11 days work with 365 days in a year?

Inflation, war, etc all playing factors into ratios.

I always wondered what cuased the 1-5 year spread of low mintages of coins in the past other than the most recent ones (1929-1933 "great depression" era and 2008-2010 modern depression)

Why are 1921 Mercury dimes, 1921 Walking halves, and 1921 and 1923S SLQ so rare due to low mintages? What happened between 1919 and 1923 in history?

What happened in Denver in 1914 that the 1914D Lincoln Cent is so rare?

1877 Indian Head cent. The civil war ended in 1865. What happened in 1877 to decrease the mintage of the most common coin the cent?
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 Posted 06/29/2013  10:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
In 1921 the country was in a post war recession as it came down from the industrial build up from WWI. The mint also used this post war slump as a chance to redirect much of their activity toward the recoining of all the silver required under the Pitman act.

In 1914 the west was still rather sparcely settled and also Philadelphia struck a much larger number of cents that year than normal. There probably just wasn't as much need for them. Coinage was probably apportioned to each mint based on local need. If there were plenty of cents available in the Denver distribution area then production would be lowered.

1877, possibly a lowering of coinage due to the flood of silver coins returning to outside the country. Coinage was flooding back into the Treasury including 1 and 5 cent pieces so there was not much need to coin more. Just ship the older coins back out again as needed.
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