Wildman Thaler Genuine Or Not

If I am not mistaken the pose of the 1680 wild man is incorrect, see here,
http://www.ngccoin.com/poplookup/wo...oinid=211251

Also I cant seem to find any wild man denomination with the background in this coins, perhaps a fantasy piece ?

the 3 things that I am seeing here is, first, the multiple balls of metal like the ones around the "1 1/4" under the wildman. those are caused by voids in the mold used. Second is the voids in the coin itself, most notably under the "dux" on the reverse and around the middle helmet also on the reverse. These are caused by air bubbles in the molten metal poured into the mold. Lastly there is a general lack of fine detail in things like the wildmans hair, often this is described as "mushy details". Also just looking at the overall condition the coin will be graded due to the apparent wear no higher than XF, probably VF. But overall the fields are way too clean for a coin that would have seen that amount of circulation, in my opinion

There's another one on ebay that I've been wondering about though thus one is apparently PCGS -
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brunswick-L...390602164006

Is this one OK or a fake ?

Also one thing that I am wondering about is.

The coin appears to have been double struck.

What if the die that was used for striking already was very used and had little detail...
this might explain the muddy details and they had to strike it twice because of that ?

Also those casting bubbles might it have been a flaw already present in the planchet ?

Just some thoughts....

The coin is 50mm and 36g I dont have any more specifics because I did not buy it yet.

I just wanted to know what you guys think to spare me the trouble of having my $ tied up.

What Rdwarrior said is to be considered however the planchets used to strike these coins are cast anyway so
whatever ill give it a shot and get it certified.

I looked up your piece but I couldnt find any 24 mariengroschen with the same design.

I found 2 types in krause but both look different....

The ring test for me has proven to be very reliable in many cases.

Even low content silver coins always have that specific sound.

I went on the german google and went on with my research there.

This coin is extremely rare and its so hard to find references for it

But I stumbled upon a genuine piece here it is



Just looking at it makes me think that there is no way that the piece on ebay is real.

Also the exact specifications should be 53mm and 35.9 g

Looking a bit further I found out that in 1978 someone made a replica with 51mm and 36.25g but I couldnt access the pictures for this.

No way the 1 1/4 taler is genuine the metal looks off too more like tin or something like that.

Yours looks off too plonker

I found 2 specimen

take a look

I dont know how many types there are out there of your coin but what I can see is that the obverse design
of yours appears to be similar to the one from 1701 if you look at the alignment of the trees on the bottom.
However the tree that the wildman is holding looks like the 1699. The Skirt doesn't look like neither of them and if you look at the right forearm it looks very round.

The reverse looks like the 1699 but the stars are thicker and the lettering is slightly shifted.
The Stars in general look very off....

Although I would not worry about the rust spot I have found a couple of austrian silver kreuzer that exhibited the same kind of wear

I have been browsing the german coin forums and I am going to ask around there too.

From what I read there is a lot of fakes from old german coins coming from china and apparently the bay is full of it, of course.... but there might be more out there than one might think