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1994-D Penny WAM

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 Posted 09/28/2013  04:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
If you have images it would help a lot. But along with these include images of the next to rim areas. They have been making to coins into one with different year obverses or reverses to make a WAM when it should not be one. The rim area gives it away.
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 Posted 09/28/2013  12:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jayman931 to your friends list
Whats the purpose of not posting pictures in the first place? But I'll bite.....Sure lets see some pics!

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09/28/2013 12:18 pm
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 Posted 09/28/2013  12:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
One good still picture beats a video (Especially since most amateur cion videos can't keep the camera still or the coin in focus. )
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 Posted 09/28/2013  1:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CointuckyDerby to your friends list

Hi guys. Thanks for the welcome.

Here are the pics.
(by the way my other name is not JOSH1999)

Enjoy...


'Patience is a virtue...
especially while looking through a loop'



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 Posted 09/28/2013  1:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
That is a Close AM. Note the M is not centered as it would be on a Wide AM?
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 Posted 09/28/2013  1:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bibd to your friends list
Hi Cointucky Derby.

I think your coin is a weakly struck Close AM -- sorry.

My evidence for this is that "MER" should be about equally spaced on a true Wide AM, while in your coin "M ER" has the "E" closer to the "R". This is consistent with a Close AM reverse. It is best to think of Wide AM versus Close AM by placing the "M" in between the two surrounding letters. Too many people just focus on the left-hand neighbour -- the "A". Anyhow, check for yourself with a pre-1992 and a standard post-1993 cent. I hope I am wrong, but I suspect you will see what I'm talking about.

It is well known that Die Deterioration leads to false positives for wide AMs, even for the standard dates of 1998-2000.
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 Posted 09/28/2013  1:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jayman931 to your friends list
It is also evident by the FG that it is a Close AM. I was hoping it was a WAM... Happy Hunting!
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 Posted 09/28/2013  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dasaki to your friends list
It looks like a CAM to me, the initials are too far for the WAM, and the AM gap is significantly smaller than the ME gap.

Edit: that's what I get for forgetting to hit the post button right away!
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09/28/2013 2:00 pm
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 Posted 09/28/2013  3:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rachums107 to your friends list
Its got a far FG consistent with CAM. But the A and M look like Wide to me. But coop is a lot more knowledgeable than I am.
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 Posted 09/28/2013  3:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinaki to your friends list
This is not a WAM.

It's not about the space between AM. It never was.
it's about the two spaces on both sides of the M.

Coop's photo shows proper distinction.



btw... Maybe it's the labels of " Wide AM" and " Close AM" that confuses people?
Perhaps these should be renamed "Centered M" and "Offset M", respectively.
Just throwing out some ideas.
Edited by coinaki
09/28/2013 5:46 pm
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 Posted 09/28/2013  4:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismo to your friends list
I agree with all above. It's a typical newbie mistake, sorry.
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 Posted 09/28/2013  4:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
I agree with CAM not a WAM.
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 Posted 09/28/2013  5:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list
... Hopeful you stick around and enjoy the experts at this best of all coin forums.

Agreed with the experts above ... this is a CAM reverse cent.

There is a third diagnostic not yet mentioned that differentiates CAM vs WAM reverse ... spacing of the letters in the legend STATES.

This diagnostic focuses on the relative spacing of the letters TAT in that legend.

On a WAM reverse, the A is fully centered between the corresponding letters T

On an CAM reverse, the A is clearly off-center and shifted towards the final letter T.

The OP coin clearly shows a CAM diagnostic in STATES.

Sooo .. in summary ... three key diagnostic that I know of for a WAM/CAM reverse ...

1. Relative spacing between the letters AME in AMERICA
2. Relative spacing of the letters TAT in STATES
3. Location of the designer initials.

Agreed that the OP coin shows a gap in the AM location ... likely due to die wear creating a space ... however that feature alone does not make the coin a WAM reverse.

David

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Edited by nickelsearcher
09/28/2013 5:22 pm
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 Posted 09/28/2013  6:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Here is what David is referring to:
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 Posted 09/29/2013  07:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cosmoscoins to your friends list
If I were u,,,take the penny to few of the local coin shops or a coin show would be best.Looks like too much space on one side closest to the E,and the FG does not look right but its not a 1999-2000 so maybe its not worn die or struck weak,,does not look struck weak or a worn die,,looks like a WAM to me but listen to the guy with the pics here but at the same time let a few other people in person see it,Have a great day,,,Cosmos
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09/29/2013 07:06 am
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