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Effect Of A Default On Precious Metals?

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 Posted 10/10/2013  11:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Demarco Bishopp to your friends list
Although people are saying in the event of a default there would be a sharp decline in the value of the dollar which ought to push the price of PMs up.
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 Posted 10/10/2013  12:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list
Yea but correlations only work for a while and then they stop. The dollar has floundered for a while and nada, it has not supported gold at all.

IF a default did happen, I could see the dollar actually strengthen. Its still the worlds 1# reserve flight to quality asset.
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 Posted 10/10/2013  1:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Superhal to your friends list
Im going to guess Pm's will go down., maybe stocks too. A lot of people out of work will have to sell.
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10/10/2013 1:27 pm
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 Posted 10/10/2013  3:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list
The credit rating Moodys has already basically said that a "default" would do nothing even if no deal got done. Treasury would still pay off old debt, the debt ceiling is really for authorizing new spending. The ironic part though is we really arent paying anything its more just saying okay you can keep charging us more interest. The gap though for new spending is smaller this time around too.

Its unlikely that anything major is going to come from it for pms, stocks would probably see a dip though and have to work their way back up
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 Posted 10/10/2013  5:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list
the gentleman from cali basically took my comment.
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 Posted 10/10/2013  5:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add allspice to your friends list
Well, if there is a default, metals should go up, since their behavior has been the opposite of the stock market lately. But it could be a quick run and temporary; because some kind of rescue mission for the dollar would likely take place shortly after the default (like tapering or adjusting interest rates) in which case metals would drop rapidly. That might be a good time to buy some silver....

Whatever the case, I suspect the debt ceiling issue won't be resolved on the 17th, but rather postponed. This thing could drag out much longer than expected, especially if a default is in the works...
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 Posted 10/10/2013  5:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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I suspect the debt ceiling issue won't be resolved on the 17th, but rather postponed.


After the midterm election is probably as soon as you could expect a real longer term resolution on it. As long as the composition of Washington is the same expect the status quo of just going a few weeks/months at a time
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 Posted 10/10/2013  6:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Northerncoins to your friends list
How do you resolve a 17 trillion dollar debt ? You don't... you move into a new type of currency , the start of a new world currency which is what has been planed all along.

Look up "Trilateral Commission" and the "Bilderberg Meetings" for a start and you might get a glimpse of who is really running the show and its not Obama or any other president for the last 40 years....these guys were/are just salesmen and that's it.
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 Posted 10/10/2013  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list
I don't think that the world will flock to PMs RIGHT AWAY. People think it will skyrocket to the moon but I don't see people on the fence about silver and gold ready to press the button if there's a default; it's not even on their radar ready to happen. There are tons of monetary instruments that will get used first before the "barbaric relic" that is gold. Once people finally get that you can't spend money you don't have then it will sink in. Until then people are in the dark. I really hope there's no chaos because my PMs will be worthless to idiots, especially idiots in distress. Silver and gold will be seen as a "rich" thing, IMO, because that's the realm in which they reside. There's going to be scorn against gold IMO, and the majority (I'm guessing) of the public has never used silver as money so the transition will be slow. We'll see. I don't think there will be any wide-spread panic.

Of course these are guesses. I'm never without controversy and strong opinions but my mind always changes according to new information gathered. I really hope the American public gets through this safely and come out stronger.
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10/10/2013 7:56 pm
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 Posted 10/10/2013  9:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list
I continue to take the stance that even if there is a default, gold and silver will continue to be broke going forward.

Absolutely NOTHING is supporting the price of gold and silver.

What I find interesting about this forum is how many people are talking about if prices will go up, and what if they go up and what not.

There are very few folks here that say prices are going to go back to their all time lows. Thats is something that could really happen depending on how strong this downtrend is.

That is why folks should excerise caution.
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 Posted 10/11/2013  08:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Northerncoins to your friends list
You maybe right Yup but which ever way its goes, up or done if a default did happen , I am glad that I have my stash of silver and gold and not just a stack of paper money or worst, some digits on a computer screen that possibly could be worth pennies on the dollar or simply vanish.

Well I do have some cash as well lol,need to "try" and cover as many bases as possible.
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 Posted 10/31/2013  04:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cosmoscoins to your friends list
Northerncoins is right on,,,,u got it,,,,Buy Silver Hoard Copper and Zinc,,,,Cosmos
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 Posted 10/31/2013  12:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crescendo to your friends list
Can't tell you what precious metals will do since they are heavily manipulated. Unless you mean physical bullion exclusively, of course. And that makes sense given where this is posted. In fact, the stock market manipulative pricing is part of the problem of even trying to predict what would happen. But does it matter? Here's a thought:

What I CAN tell you is that if there is a major societal bump because of a default, a great investment is long-term shelf food, and bottled water. Food and water are much more important to survival than bullion.

A very big question is what country are you in, and would a default create a major breakdown in the globalization process.

Also, if the US defaults, and there is a mass panic sell off of Dollars globally, then physical bullion is a smart choice regardless of what happens to the price. The key is a default should destroy the value of the dollar. So if you are in assets that hold the same value as they did before the default, and everyone around you has assets that lost value, you still end up on top.
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yes,I agree,nice,,,now you wait someone on here will tell u,,u are wrong,,no worries you are right my friend,,,Buy silver hoard copper and zinc,,,Cosmos
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 Posted 11/01/2013  2:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add supgog to your friends list
The US debt is irrelevant unless normalized by the GDP (which represents the ability to pay this debt).
There's no real difference between 17T$ debt or 170T$, if the debt/GDP is the same.

The economy can continue inflating the money supply (and therefore, the GDP as well) for a very long time, as long as it is a bounded fraction of the GDP.


One day the US will stop looking at the absolute debt level, as it doesn't really mean anything.



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