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 Posted 10/28/2013  3:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list
I would take another route and buy slab (NGC or PCGS) common dates, or semi-key dates $2.50, $5 and $10 Indians in MS-63 or 64, just to start of with, sometime there are sales with theses on AMPEX and other online reputable dealers.

You get a piece of history and numismatic value even when gold drops in prices, these are also easy to sell, and not subject to lose too much value unlike bullion. That's my humble opinion.
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 Posted 10/28/2013  4:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list
Agree with mercury that things like Indians would be the better choice as they would provide protection from spot price movement.

I would ask though what kind of emergency youre thinking it would be useful for?
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 Posted 10/28/2013  5:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fat Freddy to your friends list
MacM & BB---You're right about the slabbed Indians providing some insurance/cushioning against value loss through spot deterioration
where bullion provides no such effect. I was thinking of just liquidity only and my narrow focus didn't enable me to take that into account.
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 Posted 10/28/2013  6:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add miggs to your friends list
@TXcutie
If your primary goal is possessing gold for easy access and subsequent liquidation in a emergency situation,
I would not purchase numismatics coins for the simple reason that the premiums that comes with such coins
will be harder to recover if you're in a rush (so to speak). Where as recognizable bullion coins or bars will be
taken off your hands for more or less the same price you paid assuming spot price is the same.
btw; not even fractional bullion coins, only full ounces or heavier have the least premiums.
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 Posted 10/28/2013  7:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list
True investing entails big bars like 100ozt or 1000ozt. Even one ounce coins and bars have premiums attached, so you're doing yourself a disservice by buying anything small. You'd have to wait for a spike to break even.

Huge bars is investing, imo. By taking the small route you leave yourself open to chance/luck.

BUT: I can read your situation. You want /liquidity/ Therefore don't buy silverware (this thread is gold not silverware). You live in the USA, so get an Eagle or a Krugerrand because it's the same. Go for 1/10ths, as they are a good sum of divisible money. 1/20th and 1/25th pieces have way too much premium and they're usually minted with collectors' designs instead of being plain and used as money. However, I feel that you should keep a small stack of 10 single ounces of silver with you as well for smaller purchases. A 1/10th may be too much to fill the gas tank or a cab ride.

*Don't listen to me, and don't get into the metals market. Do what you like. To me it doesn't sound like you're investing but that you're creating a safety net for insurance. I would try to remove the thought of dollars from my head and think only in ounces.
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 Posted 10/28/2013  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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I was thinking of just liquidity only and my narrow focus didn't enable me to take that into account.


Youre right about them being the most liquid which would be an advantage. As you know I dont believe in pms for doomsday or emergencies. If theres a disaster like Katrina youll want you can take and spend where ever and if the country fell apart you want bullets and guns. So for me with gold its more about what could I buy and enjoy without having to worry about gold going back to 400-500 and having it lose over half its value
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 Posted 10/28/2013  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fat Freddy to your friends list
BB--One PM dealer friend of mine in TX says the 1/10oz Eaglets are by far+away the most traded+liquid of all the gold bullion he sees. A show vendor who's
always at the monthly show in my area does another show 125 miles away the day before ours. When he gets here, he never has any 1/10oz Eaglets because
he always gets cleaned out at the other show the day before us. To me, these 2 indicators speak volumes about the liquidity issue.

It's a personal thing, but I tend to focus more on liquidity than most other considerations. I may not be right about that and my outlook might be wiser if revised,
but I've revisited that thought so many times I'm tired of it and I can reinvent that wheel only just so many times...
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 Posted 10/28/2013  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add denco7 to your friends list

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the 1/10oz Eaglets are by far+away the most traded+liquid of all the gold bullion he sees


They also command the highest premiums. You can find 1oz krugerrands or rounds for spot+$40 , 10th ounce eagles are $201/oz over spot at APMEX now.
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 Posted 10/28/2013  9:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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BB--One PM dealer friend of mine in TX says the 1/10oz Eaglets are by far+away the most traded+liquid of all the gold bullion he sees.


I definitely believe that, theyre one of the few "affordable" gold coins out there that most people could buy if they wanted. Theyre actually one of the bullion coins I kind of like just because of the ease in selling them, theyre just so small.

I do agree though being liquid is a huge plus and there is a value to that. I just like the older stuff better since it has longer established values and fewer survive in good condition as time goes on. For the 1/10ths though its hard to argue against those. Its more the 1 ounce coins Id stay away from as the buying market is small and spot drops would have drastic effects there.
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 Posted 10/28/2013  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tripncoins to your friends list
Welcome to the Forums. The posts from the previous members are wise. If you're new and green to Precious Metals investing & storing I suggest reading and researching as much as you can in terms of how the price of Gold and Silver works both short and long term from a technical/fundamental/historical perspective. I'm not saying don't go out and buy a 1/10th or 1/4 tomorrow, but understand how the spot $ price works in both domestic & international markets. I've enjoyed talking to people at TX coin shows if you are in such an area that has reasonable local access. I've been to a lot of coin shows, and these folks share a lot of advice, lessons, wisdom and of course, opinions. Youtube seems to also have some interesting opinions from promoters and detractors. Best of luck.
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10/28/2013 10:04 pm
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 Posted 10/30/2013  12:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pawpaw34 to your friends list
I know I wasn't the original poster. But I do appreciate all the insight all of you have given. Thanks.
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 Posted 10/30/2013  1:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2012 to your friends list
to CCF!
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 Posted 10/31/2013  3:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AgCoinAu to your friends list
I figured I would put in my Two Cents here...
There has been a lot of good advice and some very interesting opinions on this thread so far..
If you're new to gold or PM investing my first question for you is.. Why are you investing in gold?

In my opinion gold is used as a preservation of wealth and a hedge against a poor economy. If you don't exactly have a lot of wealth to begin with then gold isn't your best investment option.. there are others much better out there. If you believe that the economy is troubled and we're in for a rough time... then YES gold would be a good idea regardless of your financial status.

As for how much to buy... well that would depend on your financial situation... some here have talked about 1/10ths and how they're very liquid, which is true but there's also a premium associated with fractionals. 1 oz gold rounds/coins/bars carry the smallest amount of premium. Sure as someone said if you buy 100 oz bars you're eliminating the premium ... but in all honesty I don't run in those circles and never will. I prefer buying 1 and 5 oz bars or coins.

The next question often brought up is how often or frequently should one buy? That also is dependant on your finances, age and your opinion of the economy. Typical financial planners suggest that gold should have no more than 10% of your portfolio. If you're young I would definetely agree with this.. there's better places you can put your money to work for you. As you get older you may wish to diversify into more secured assets like dividend yeilding stocks, bonds, and gold. The thing I like is that .999 is exempt from capital gains.. so I like to buy it for the future so I don't have to cash out as much of my RRSP's or stocks and worry about incurring a large amount of capital gains taxes.

Personally I can only afford to buy once or twice a year.. if you can buy more frequently than that, then you will be able to take advantage of better dollar cost averaging techniques and not worry so much about any swings in the market. Personally I try to take advantage of any market dips for when I buy to add to my stack but I have a certain date marked on my calandar where I'm committed to purchase.

My best advice to you is... find a reputable dealer. There is a TONNE of fakes out there and if you don't know what you're doing you can really get burned bad!

Do a lot of reading... ask a lot of questions... then go get some shiney and tell us all about it...

Good luck!
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 Posted 10/31/2013  4:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list

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... do you believe 1/4 to 1 ounce gold coins are a wise investment?


ABSOLUTELY NOT.

Your key word is "invest".

Any coin has several premiums attached.
There's the seller's mark-up.
And the mark-up is about the same dollar amount no matter what the coin's size is.
Thus the percentage mark-up is much higher for smaller pieces.
In other words the seller expends the same amount of time and energy on a ΒΌ oz item as a 1 oz item so he charges the same absolute handling charge.

Then there is the cost of manufacturing.
Someone paid to have the planchets made, the dies produced and the striking procedure performed.
You will have to cover all those costs.
PLUS
If the coins are dated there most likely be a numismatic premium.

IF you want to invest in gold stick to plain bars.
No fancy designs.
All you should see is the fineness (.9999, nothing less) and maybe the manufacturer's name.
They ain't pretty but for investment purposes you don't want to pay for pretty.
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 Posted 11/01/2013  4:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tripncoins to your friends list

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All you should see is the fineness (.9999, nothing less) and maybe the manufacturer's name. They ain't pretty but for investment purposes you don't want to pay for pretty.


I agree with this perspective for beginners or people looking to build their weight in silver or gold first, than worry about the cosmetic looks of the metal itself. After hitting a goal of 2,000 oz's I started to dabble in the pretty silver bullion/coins/numismatics etc. I do however like collecting bullion with name brands vs generic because it does make it easier to sell in the future, it's popular, it has a premium for collectors or ebay and I like it. Most local dealers don't care unless it's an ASE / Maple / Panda which are nice in itself. Gimme Johnson Matthey & Engelhard all day!

For gold, it is the same thing. It has to be .9999 24k (nothing less) which is why I stack the Buffalos, Maples, Pandas, Pamps, Perth, Scotia Bank & Credit Suisse..the list goes on. The common denominator is .9999 24k - that's all I care about.
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11/01/2013 4:46 pm
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