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Restored Smackdown Xiv ....... "Ode To Joy"

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 Posted 02/03/2014  6:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dwayne8625 to your friends list
Gold: VK Gold
Silver: Pish owl
Bronze: Anoob buddha
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 Posted 02/04/2014  06:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list
Well the ballots are in .......
and lacking any last minute voting the top 3 are rather clear.

My intent in the choice of 'topic' had been to try and be as inclusive as possible.
It is easy to "WoW" judges in any contest with something unusual or stunning ...... But it is often the "Joy" found in the eyes of children which makes an occasion so special. I recently sold an 1809 US Half Cent to an older fellow in the Mid West. He told me how excited he was because he was collecting "together" with his grandson and this was the oldest coin they had bought yet ! His grandson was eagerly awaiting the mailman. We have all "been there done that" and can relate to the emotion.

I told him I was including something extra in the purchase. Last year I had dispensed with some surplus material by passing around a few low end pieces which I had kicking about the place. Better that they should be somewhere that they might be appreciated than simply gathering dust (or end up inside the wife's Vacuum cleaner !). "Chrsmat" rather kindly declined the LRB AE and asked me to give it to someone deserving. Hopefully this tiny little Tetricus Ant. will impress the 'boy' (and grampa too !) much more than it ever could either me or you !
I can remember when as a Child WWII seemed like it was ancient history (the world after all was B&W !). WWI even more so (they didn't even have sound !) And 1809 ? Well that was possitively 'prehistoric'!

A coin of someone from AD271 ?

Hopefully the wow factor will be in full swing.

But that is what the hobby is supposed to be all about ....... Not hoarding bullion in a bank vault somewhere.


So despite the lacklustre turnout we shall now present the laurel wreath to

VK ...... 12 points thanks to a late surge !

Pish ....... respectable second with 9 points !

Noob ....... third place with 6 points !

And now I cede the stage ....... and get back to work ! Coins to package up and post before the big snowstorm blows in tonight. Tomorrow I will be snowed in with the 'kids' .......... JOY !

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 Posted 02/04/2014  10:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsmat71 to your friends list
congrats winners! good idea for a smackdown FR, seems the interest in drying up.
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 Posted 02/04/2014  3:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list

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A coin of someone from AD271 ?

Hopefully the wow factor will be in full swing.


Nobody (well, except people who would know already, like actual coin dealers) ever seems to believe me that I managed to buy a fourth-century coin for $6. Everyone says "seriously? fourth century? as in Roman Empire fourth century? these coins must be worth thousands!" Except they aren't (but of course if they were I wouldn't be buying them; this is partly the case with ancient silver coins, which is why I don't yet have any).

(On my own side, I just can't believe that I actually have coins from 1517, 1521 and 1597. As in these dates are actually on the coins. I know it's nothing compared to 408 AD - which is, IIRC, roughly when the Honorius coin I posted was minted - but for some reason I can believe having a Honorius coin easier than these three; it probably helps that, unlike all of my ancients, all three are silver.)
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 Posted 02/04/2014  3:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VisigothKing to your friends list
I won?!?! I won! My first smackdown win! How exciting! Thanks for the votes guys!

I'll try to have something within a few of days, as I am a bit busy with life at the moment. If I have to I'll pass the hosting of the next smackdown to another.
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 Posted 02/04/2014  3:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dwayne8625 to your friends list
Congrats to all the winners.
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 Posted 03/12/2014  05:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dutchgulden to your friends list
who is willing to start a new one? I miss these smackdowns!
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 Posted 03/12/2014  06:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list
If no one steps up I will be forced to subject everyone to another lengthy reading of Edward Gibbon !

And this time it will be all those obscure portions the 'abridged' versions so conveniently leave out !

You'll be sooooooory ..............
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 Posted 03/12/2014  09:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
FR, I love those stories. Go for it my friend.
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 Posted 03/12/2014  7:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list
Put it on us FR. I hold on to your every thread.
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 Posted 03/12/2014  8:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list
Brace yourselves ........

While you all may sleep lightly tonight I will try and 'dream up' a topic
I do apologize in advance for what follows but history is not always as 'uplifting' as we might like it too be

And I did threaten to punish .....
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Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire
Chapter XXVII


Sedition and massacre of Thessalonica, A.D. 390.

The sedition of Thessalonica is ascribed to a more shameful cause,
and was productive of much more dreadful consequences.
That great city, the metropolis of all the Illyrian provinces,
had been protected from the dangers of the Gothic war by strong fortifications and a numerous garrison.

Botheric, the general of those troops, and, as it should seem from his name, a barbarian,
had among his slaves a beautiful boy,
who excited the impure desires of one of the charioteers of the circus.
The insolent and brutal lover was thrown into prison by the order of Botheric;
and he sternly rejected the importunate clamours of the multitude,
who, on the day of the public games, lamented the absence of their favourite,
and considered the skill of a charioteer as an object of more importance than his virtue.

The resentment of the people was embittered by some previous disputes;
and, as the strength of the garrison had been drawn away for the service of the Italian war,
the feeble remnant, whose numbers were reduced by desertion,
could not save the unhappy general from their licentious fury.
Botheric and several of his principal officers were inhumanly murdered;
their mangled bodies were dragged about the streets;
and the emperor, who then resided at Milan,was surprised by the intelligence
of the audacious and wanton cruelty of the people of Thessalonica.

The sentence of a dispassionate judge would have inflicted a severe punishment on the authors of the crime;
and the merit of Botheric might contribute to exasperate the grief and indignation of his master.
The fiery and choleric temper of Theodosius was impatient of the dilatory forms of a judicial inquiry;
and he hastily resolved that the blood of his lieutenant should be expiated by the blood of the guilty people.

Yet his mind still fluctuated between the counsels of clemency and of revenge;
the zeal of the bishops had almost extorted from the reluctant emperor the promise of a general pardon;
his passion was again inflamed by the flattering suggestions of his minister Rufinus;
and, after Theodosius had despatched the messengers of death,
he attempted, when it was too late, to prevent the execution of his orders.

The punishment of a Roman city was blindly committed to the undistinguishing sword of the barbarians;
and the hostile preparations were concerted with the dark and perfidious artifice of an illegal conspiracy.
The people of Thessalonica were treacherously invited,in the name of their sovereign,
to the games of the circus;
and such was their insatiate avidity for those amusements that every consideration
of fear or suspicion was disregarded by the numerous spectators.

As soon as the assembly was complete,
the soldiers, who had secretly been posted round the circus,
received the signal,not of the races,
but of a general massacre.
The promiscuous carnage continued three hours, without discrimination of strangers or natives,
of age or sex, of innocence or guilt;
the most moderate accounts state the number of the slain at seven thousand;
and it is affirmed by some writers that more than fifteen thousand victims were sacrificed to the manes of Botheric.

A foreign merchant, who had probably no concern in his murder,offered his own life
and all his wealth to supply the place of one of his two sons;
but while the father hesitated with equal tenderness,
while he was doubtful to choose, and unwilling to condemn,
the soldiers determined his suspense by plunging their daggers at the same moment
into the breasts of the defenceless youths.

The apology of the assassins,that they were obliged
to produce the prescribed number of heads,
serves only to increase, by an appearance of order and design,
the horrors of the massacre,
which was executed by the commands of Theodosius.
The guilt of the emperor is aggravated by his long
and frequent residence at Thessalonica.
The situation of the unfortunate city,
the aspect of the streets and buildings,
the dress and faces of the inhabitants,
were familiar, and even present, to his imagination;

and Theodosius possessed a quick and lively sense
of the existence of the people whom he destroyed.

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Before we begin to count ourselves fortunate to live in a far more enlightened age.
you might consider the following figures

Approx. Ottoman census figures
for City of Saloniki (aka Thessaloniki)
Year .............. 1890
Total population .. 118,000

Jewish ............ 55,000
Turk (ie Muslim) .. 26,000
Greek ............. 16,000
Bulgar ............ 10,000
Roma (ie Gypsy) ... 2,500
All Other ......... 8,500

So what happened to the single most cosmopolitan city in all of modern Europe ?
I will leave to your own imagination.
Suffice to say it occured in the decades following the 1912 surrender of the Ottoman garrison.


My apologies again for the big 'downer'
But I threatened ........ and so delivered !

Now I will try and dream up a 'Smackdown' to give you more nightmares !

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 Posted 03/12/2014  10:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
As usual an very interesting and informative read.
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 Posted 03/14/2014  11:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsmat71 to your friends list
i'll post one later on tonight...good read FR.
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 Posted 03/14/2014  1:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list
Thank goodness ! I am sick as a dog ...... terrible head cold.

Very hard to think when you spend half the day blowing your nose !
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