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Thanks Baseball and SD for your input. I too agree there would have to be a huge understanding to side step the existing grading coin scales for both values and simply a standard of grades to have the industry stand by like they now do for the Sheldon Scale...... It was an exercise in thoughts and concepts for the "WHAT IF'S " in life.......  How many people have seen coins graded above or below the grades you and your peers would disagree upon? |
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I also philosophise the "what ifs"
I can see a time within 10-15 years that society goes completely cashless. Then the ONLY coins being minted will be NCLT and bullion coins for collectors and virtually every coin that leaves the mints will be PF70 or MS70.
So if every coin is a 70 there will be no need to get any new coin graded and no need for TPGs. The TPGs would then push for higher and higher grades to separate superior 70s from run of the mill 70s.
So higher grades will happen whether you like it or not.
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All we will have to do is figure out what's better than "perfect."
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It was an exercise in thoughts and concepts for the "WHAT IF'S " in life. I love thought exercises like that myself, I just dont see it here. For me the what if would be more along the lines of adding decimals to the grades or maybe even turning into a split grade system. What I mean by the split grade system would be have the technical grade we have now and then a separate eye appeal ranking. Youd see a lot less people disagreeing with the technical grade taking subjectivity out of that aspect of it and if we really wanted to start splitting the hair as finely as possible I think thats the more likely direction. Quote:
All we will have to do is figure out what's better than "perfect." Perfect with a properly washed mint planchet that wont get milk spots?  |
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Wasnt the Sheldon Scale (if I'm not mistaken)initially based on a specific coin, like a large cent or something and scale 1-70 was based on the value...ie $1 to $70? Ex a coin (that initial specific type) that is graded a xf45 is worth $45? same with that specific type that was perfect...ie ms70 was worth $70? and it was applied to all coins (just the 1-70, not the values etc) I swear I heard or seen that somewhere...can anybody speak more on this? Or tell me I'm CRAZY?
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AHHHH I just HAPPENED to scroll up and caught SsuperDaves post saying almost exactly this...explained much better tho...
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Does CAC put stickers on MS70? This reminds me of the original rock climbing scale, where in the 1960s 5.9 was as difficult as possible. When technology and skills improved, rather than regrade everything, they added numbers and letters. 5.15c is now the highest. Or the international scale of river difficulty, where Class VI means certain death, so if someone runs it and survives, it becomes Class V. It also reminds me of thisI can see "it goes to 11" happening with coins. |
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"Does CAC put stickers on MS70?" - I was curious so I asked. Quote:
To date we have not had any MS or PR 70 coins submitted to us. If we did we would consider stickering one. So there you go! It could go to 11! I do applaud CAC for a very quick response. This speaks well of them. |
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So there you go! It could go to 11! I do applaud CAC for a very quick response. This speaks well of them.
The response speak well for them, but I'm unsure what I'd think of a Beaned 70. A 70, by definition, doesn't have a "range" of qualification like any other Sheldon grade. It's either perfect, or it ain't. |
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but I'm unsure what I'd think of a Beaned 70 Its really a moot point to me since Proof Ikes are the only thing jumping out at me off the top of my head that even has graded 70s for coins they accept. Maybe some of the gold series have some, I've never spent much time looking though those pops. |
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So every 70 is "perfect" in the same way? I'm not trying to argue, this is just a "philosophical" discussion. Like climbing where 5.9 was once thought to be the hardest thing anyone could ever climb, or river running where VI was impossible to survive. Of course coin grades were never handed out at the very top of the scale in the way they were with climbing and kayaking, so probably that's a bad analogy. Edit: basebal21, here's a bunch of 70s, randomly picked website http://www.govmint.com/all-silver-c...by/ms70.html Edit again: I do see that you said "coins they accept" so I don't know if any are on that list. Edited by kbbpll
02/25/2014 3:10 pm
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I do see that you said "coins they accept" so I don't know if any are on that list. Your link didnt work but I doubt it. Ikes are the only modern series they accept. Theres some random varieties here and there that are modern, but you cant even submit silver Roosevelt dimes as of now. Heres their list of what they take: http://www.caccoin.com/coins-accepted/ |
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So every 70 is "perfect" in the same way? I'm not trying to argue, this is just a "philosophical" discussion. Yes, every 70 should be "perfect" in the exact same way. That means, a flawless planchet with a flawless strike from a prototypical fresh die, lacking nothing in full detail or luster. The only thing I'd concede about a 70 is the potential for reflective surfaces on a Business Strike from brand-new dies; I'd concede a 70 to the right coin which could only be described as having "blinding luster." That might be a potential qualification for a Bean - a Prooflike Business Strike. And the point of the matter is, these days the Mint is quite capable of that on an ongoing basis. They're that good, if they want to be. |
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No reason to ever use a + or * on a MS/PR70 coin. Yes, some will always look better than others and at that point the MARKET will decide what the coin is valued at.
The only way to change it so that +/* is used on 70, is if the grading scale is changed to a 100 point scale.
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Jack Jeckel, states from the 1st post, " Would that open a new can of worms for an MS71 designation " !!! I appreciate the topic you posted and I hope you are not upset or discouraged with the direction in which the topic ventured. I KNEW that the member's here would present their opinions, after seeing this topic, indeed they did. What a Great place to have a Wonderful Passion.........  |
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