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Valued Member
 United States
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I see that a nickel is worth more in metal than face... I hope it stays this way.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2311 Posts |
Since some people talked about copper cents, let me share some information.
I am in Pennsylvania and I saw that the chance of getting a copper cent in change has dropped pretty fast. You're lucky to get one copper per every 25. It's all new 2012 Zinc cents you just get.
So is the government pulling coppers out too like collectors? Why would the percentage just take a sharp drop?
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Valued Member
 United States
256 Posts |
eh... I'm not sure they are. I've noticed a decrease too though.
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Valued Member
United States
50 Posts |
Today I picked up an order of cents and nickels from my banks. Quarterly I receive $400 in cents and $200 in nickels. Plan to go though them someday. A copper cent has a larger return on melt value than a nickel,but nickels might yield silver War Nickels too and I will look for 2009 dates. Demand from China for copper is anticipated to drive prices higher over the next few decades, which is my holding window. A nickel yields nickel and copper, while a cent yields copper and nearly worthless zinc. The way I see it is even silver dimes and quarters were once speculated as not being worth saving. And now they can be 20-40 times face value depending on silver's price. It took 40-50 years though. I don't think nickels or cents will meet this in my lifetime, but even 5-10x would be nice. Certainly holding $1 in nickels or copper cents is smarter than holding a paper dollar. And I do think eventually the government will mass harvest the copper cents from circulation. I am aware of large private operations already doing this, and a friend of mine has a goal of $100,000 in copper cents as a means to diversify his holdings (and not hold paper dollars). That's my Two Cents!
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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 , Crouse27! A problem with hoarding such huge amounts is storage and transportation of these heavy and bulky stockpiles. If you have a huge warehouse for your business with an empty corner, storage isn't a big deal. But transportation requires expensive fuel at the very least. Your friend must already be well-diversified to even consider such an arrangement. $100k in copper cents isn't particularly liquid, which is the other problem that comes to mind. I always enjoy hearing about these plans though. Me, I just throw all my coppers into a jar like so many others here.
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Valued Member
 United States
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Valued Member
United States
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I brought this up to my friend and told him the mass of such a holding would be difficult to deal with. He indicated he was aware of this being an engineer and had his home built with the basement concrete able to accommodate the weight per unit area. He writes me regularly with updates. Last I heard he was at $35,000 in copper cents secured mostly through bulk service firms that provide cents by the pallet to his reinforced home.
Speculation makes a market and it is possible all things considered it might not be a winning idea even over the long term. But for certain he is not alone in mining cents at large scale, and virtually copper cents will be as scarce in actual circulation as silver coins are today. I think this is 30 years away though.
I have coined a new saying around this idea (pun intended) ... "You can bet your copper penny!"
Edited by Crouse27 05/14/2014 4:07 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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Let's see... Consider $35k in cents. That's 1,400 $25 boxes of cents. I hope your friend has a sprawling basement: One $25 box of cents is a bit over .75 cubic feet. so that's ~1,050 CF or almost 40 cubic yards of cents at 25,200 pounds. Here's visually what 40CY looks like:  This comes to mind when I think about that many coins in a basement... 
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Valued Member
United States
50 Posts |
Hilarious! Thanks CelticKnot. And his goal is three of those. :)
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New Member
United States
21 Posts |
Rather than save U.S. Nickels that are only 25% nickel, it makes more sense to me to save foreign nickel content coins that are 99.9% pure nickel (like the Canadian Nickels pre-1982, French Francs, etc.). Although, I too save my pre-1982 pennys and my nickels, I just don't think it would be worth it to buy in bulk...
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
12839 Posts |
Crouse27, please convince your friend to join CCF and tell us all about his affliction. I'm sure he'd be in good company.
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Valued Member
United States
252 Posts |
I run a snack fund at work and read a bit on hoarding nickels a while back. I can't make it to a coin shop, so I just started pulling all of the nickels and setting them aside as some form of coin collecting. I've bought each one in my collection from the snack fund for a nickel each. Now for my entire collection I am missing 39 coins to complete the collection. I've even pulled three of the silvers from my snack fund. And I have a big enough box of nickels at home to cash them in and buy my remaining coins (in circulated condition) on ebay. So yeah, I've fallen in love with the Jeffersons and have been hoarding them for about 8 months now.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
964 Posts |
I hope your buddy doesn't have a fire at his house! Otherwise that hoard is going to be one BIG Copper Bar in that basement 
Edited by Mr Click 05/15/2014 10:34 am
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
3692 Posts |
Copper takes huge constant heat to get it to melt. Bronze even hotter.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
837 Posts |
Edited by DaytR 05/15/2014 4:48 pm
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