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Pillar of the Community
United States
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My question is how does Canada handle the coins for all denominations up through $2? From my experience as a cashier, the only Americans who carry coins are women with a coin pouch in their purse/wallet, people who just got change back from their last transaction, and people who deliberately plan to make a purchase at a vending machine or gas station.
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United States
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i hope the penny isn't phased out until I see "2020" as the date on it. that would be cool. on a more serious note, it of course makes sense to get rid of the penny. as for the dollar bill? most likely not for at least another 50 yrs
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Pillar of the Community
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I'm with just carl on this. The widespread use of the half, $2, and $1 coins will never happen. It's much more convenient for for people to use a debit card versus cash. Physical cash is becoming an oddity even now, so in the future it will be used even less. Cash is dying, and the odd denominations are all but extinct.
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Quote: What makes 2020 any different from now? Six years.  I kid. Being serious, I think our economy will have forced the issue by then. Quote: i hope the penny isn't phased out until I see "2020" as the date on it. that would be cool. Do not worry, I think the mint is smart enough to keep the cent around for collectors (at a nice premium, of course). The Half Dollar was de facto phased out in 2002 (sorry, Fox, but it is true). However, it is still made for collectors. I am okay with this, especially if it means the collector versions are bronze. 
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: The widespread use of the half, $2, and $1 coins will never happen. It's much more convenient for for people to use a debit card versus cash. pretty sure I voted coins should replace the bill, but probably wont do so. the thing is if people using the electronic payment forms don't care, why should their voice count? they don't use the coins or paper, and coins last longer than paper, and cost about the same to make. it will happen if the gov decides to end the paper $1. vendors take electronic payments now so why should they care what type of $1 is used, coin or bill? bill collectors has to be near the slot to keep them in and coin have gravity to pull them away to leave more room for coins before you get a jam when it can no longer accept them. most vending machines cannot handle giving cash for larger bills either, but it could issue coin dollars as change just like any other coin by resupplying itself. the issue just has to be force like the removal of the half-dime, 3-cents piece, etc. 1 generation down the line they wont care. In spending halves yesterday the woman had seen various coins from other country, but NEVER a Kennedy half before and had to ask a manager if it was money. that just proves the generation gap exists and money will move on however it is made and people will learn to use it with each new generation. Why does the opinion of people that don't even use cash matter in the discussion of cash types? It is like asking someone that hate chocolate how you should make your chocolate chip cookies. it is of no use and their opinion has little value since they are not really part of the target users?
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I like your thinking, shadz.  This especially... Quote: 1 generation down the line they wont care. Just suck it up and make the change, America! People will complain for a while, but eventually they will either stop or become deceased. 
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Quote: The Half Dollar was de facto phased out in 2002 (sorry, Fox, but it is true). No worries jbuck. The half is not exactly "phased out" It is just currently not being minted for circulation, same currently true with the dollar coin. The U.S. Mint has already stated that, the half dollar denomination will NOT be discontinued and will strike more halves when the current supply runs out. And there is proof the the half still being listing on the U.S. Mint's website, with pictures and information as a "current" denomination. Now, I would consider halves "phased out" if I could not have a bank or credit union order them at will. Something they can not do with Half Cents, 2 cent, 3 cent, 20 cent coins and/or $500, $1,000, $5,000 and $10,000 bills.  Anyway, I see no reason why the goverment shouldn't make a penny-sized copper or golden colored half if they phased out the cent and the $1 bill, seeing as most five-slot cash registers would have places for halves, dollar coins and $2 bills, with the demise of the cent and the $1 bill. Why not use all three denominations when given the chance? Now I know some people think that two quarters do the job good enough, that we don't need a half. Well, obviously, at one time, the government felt we did, and I think a penny-sized half would be nice to carry, especially, if it were lighter than one quarter, let alone, the two quarters that the current size half weighs. I'm not a weak person that can't carry heavy change. In fact, I don't mind carrying heavy change at all, but I would rather carry less denominations of both, bills and coins, and a nice, small half that would work in vending machines would be fantastic. 
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Canada
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Quote: My question is how does Canada handle the coins for all denominations up through $2? At all times, I carry about 20 coins in my pocket. Jingle... jingle... jingle... Most of my friends do the same - almost all Canadians I know usually have change on them somewhere.
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Germany
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All the arguments that "americans won't...." etc I don't believe. Americans are not different to other people. If the coins are what they need to spend, and what they get given, they'll use them, and they won't notice the difference except maybe in strip clubs.
The problem is the government, and the this just doesn't work for the people, but will use any argument it can to make sure big business keeps its profits. And there is a company that stands to lose if the dollar bills go, so they won't go. Simple as.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: but will use any argument it can to make sure big business keeps its profits. And there is a company that stands to lose if the dollar bills go, so they won't go Big business would take a hit for sure, but ultimately they would just pass the cost of retrofitting machines onto the consumer. Its really the public and small businesses that would be taking the hit. The guy who owns 1000s of vending machines wont be happy but could get the change made, the guy who owns 1 or 2 however and just makes a little extra with them either wouldnt be able to afford the change or wouldnt want to pay for it. Theyre the ones that would get driven out of the market. In the end though it would all come out of the consumers pocket. Nothing would actually be saved, costs would just be passed on taking more money out of your pocket when the government makes money printing one dollar bills in the first place. Dollars cost 5.4 cents to print, thats about 96 cents of profit for every bill they run off the press. A dollar coin is about 19 cents. You can make the same bill basically 4 times before theres any savings over the coin. The "savings" by the switch is highly exaggerated and may actually be a negative when you factor in how much transportation costs would be increased. No one ever brings up that part of the math equation for what "savings" there really is. Make no mistake transporting dollar coins is much more expensive than dollar bills.
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United States
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Waiter/Waitress depends on those dollar bill tips! It is easier for them to carry and so like other types of business, but the future will change it whether people prefer it or not.
The day that no more Cash business is the day most people will pay taxes like the rest of the other people. The government would like it. Who else would like that? Banks offering cash back 1-5% per transaction, look at the commercials having people tapping the CC to the scanner, most online business only uses CC, I have to agree with just carl, the next generation don't care much about coins or bills, that credit one day will dominate 90% of all transactions, and dollar bills and coins will be a thing of the past. A lot like stamps.
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Quote: Dollars cost 5.4 cents to print, thats about 96 cents of profit for every bill they run off the press. A dollar coin is about 19 cents. You can make the same bill basically 4 times before theres any savings over the coin. The "savings" by the switch is highly exaggerated and may actually be a negative when you factor in how much transportation costs would be increased. 18 lifespan for any bill means 72 months for those 4 bills which is 6 year life expectancy for them all. 50 year life expectancy for the $1 coin. almost 9 times the life for the same cost of the 4 bills. as MORE security features much be placed on bills then ost increases to DEVELOP those security features, and the $1 bill still hasn't changed yet. CRH's are currently the only people using coins and maybe some times flags go up at places when large lots are spent. I always get asked where I get so many dollar or half-dollar coins and I tell the store I am spending they that I get them from the bank. I doubt any worry really exists from fake $1 or else the bill would have been changed long ago to match all the Monopoly money that the Mint makes now. For transporting them, they would be like most other coins. Businesses would keep them to refill their change dispensing machines and cash drawers and not deposit them so once they get into circulation they stay there in some fashion. That is how everyone is finding NIFC Pres dollars as it is now because they are being circulated.
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Quote: Dollars cost 5.4 cents to print, thats about 96 cents of profit for every bill they run off the press. A dollar coin is about 19 cents. You can make the same bill basically 4 times before theres any savings over the coin. Wrong. Seigniorage income derived from notes is from interest payments on Treasury securities held to collateralize the notes. In other words, when they print a new note to replace a worn out note, it does not count. This is a problem for the one dollar note; continual reprints consume its initial profit. Quote: The "savings" by the switch is highly exaggerated and may actually be a negative when you factor in how much transportation costs would be increased. No one ever brings up that part of the math equation for what "savings" there really is. Make no mistake transporting dollar coins is much more expensive than dollar bills. Probably because the difference is insignificant. It is not cheap having to constantly ship worn notes in and new notes out. Coins are heavy, but they are shipped only a fraction of the time over their life. Using this flawed transportation argument means we should get rid of all coins and have paper only. Besides, we all know that electronic transactions are going to win eventually. 
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Quote: we should get rid of all coins bite your tongue! don't give them any ideas! When electronic transactions become the method, and since everything spent by a person will be tracked to them, then those institutions that exist now should be replaced with a government issued electronic card. no need for all those rip-off places banks when moeny can be controlled by the gov't using its own electronic services.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I voted other
For research purposes, search the forum for where jbuck and I both asked the Canadians about the weight issue being a problem with dollar coins. It does not matter what we want to be true - the weight issue is an actual problem.
So I do not want to see the dollar bill gone.
The economics, though I believe slanted and not taking into account the costs the private sector will have to absorb to switch over to dollar coins (in other words the people get the raw end of the deal anyway), seem to say the dollar coin is a better choice to save money. And I say this while we just had to 10,000 + for ONE night for the first lady to have a night in a motel and 250.00 taxpayer dollars per plate for the evening meal in the White House is *supposedly* not uncommon.
So let's compromise. Make a dollar bill out of polymer - proven to last longer, and make some dollar coins for those who want them.
Or the smart thing... Switch back to a PM base, reevaluate the actual value of a dollar by making a new dollar that is worth, let's say 10 of the old ones, and allow the old ones simply to die their natural death in circulation.
Excuse me now so I can go find a winged horse to be ready to fly to D.C. to congratulate them personally when the problem is actually solved in a logical manner like this. By the time I find the horse, I figure it will only take D.C. 42 more years to get the problem solved.
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