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Valued Member
United States
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Sorry to hear.
If their is a silver lining, for $35, it is a relatively inexpensive learning experience.
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Valued Member
 United States
477 Posts |
Yep, it's no huge loss, I'm more upset I didn't see the issues with it at the show, and I looked hard. But to just hold it in your hand it's one of the best looking Morgs I have. I'm still amazed how the camera under LED lights brought out so many invisible issues.
Rick
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Here is the thing. I have pulled any number of modern coins from rolls straight from the mint that have hairlines that could easily be mistaken for "cleaning". And I don't see them until I take pics. So who knows what those hairlines are from?
Regardless, that is a beautiful coin and you paid a price you could easily recoup if you wanted. Carry a pocket LED flashlight with you to shows from now on. Just an idea...
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 United States
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Are you sure it's not die polishing?
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Valued Member
United States
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I have to ask, if it takes a near forensic investigation to determine that the coin is cleaned, why would anyone even care that it's cleaned? If it looks fine to the naked eye, so what?
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United States
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I have to ask, if it takes a near forensic investigation to determine that the coin is cleaned, why would anyone even care that it's cleaned? If it looks fine to the naked eye, so what?
This "near forensic" investigation is standard numismatic behavior the world over. Brushing is rarely visible from all possible lighting directions - unnoticeable from this angle, horribly obvious from another. A dSLR - and the Sun - are deadly enemies of cleaning which is attempting to hide. |
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Valued Member
United States
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It's a very difficult decision. I have several IHC's with what appear to be very, very fine hairlines to the left of the Indian's nose. These kind of "features" are not visible at all angles, as others have noted in this thread. I find that not only do I have to tilt the coin, but I also have to rotate 4-6 times AND tilt the coin at each position to find the hairlines on some coins. All that said, I bought a PCGS AU58 slabbed IHC recently, and put it on our binocular microscope at work. To my surprise, the coin has hairlines in the same field as the others I have. So, does this mean PCGS missed it, or are these "hairlines" normal for AU-MS IHC's (perhaps due to gentle rubbing in mint bags)? |
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Valued Member
United States
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Make a pocket piece of it and you will forget the minor cleaning and scratches soon enough.  |
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Valued Member
United States
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No Dave, I'm not sure it's not die polishing, I'm way too new to this to know what that looks like.
I do know the coin has zero wear, has a good size nick on the rim and what looks to me like brush cleaning scratches, as well as plenty of bag marks and some heavier bag scratches. It's the discoloration around the finer details and the relatively shiny areas in the open field.
I plan to take it to the LCS to see what they say, mainly to see if I'm reading the book correctly.
Rick
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United States
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Some generalities (exceptions exist) regarding die polishing vs. brushing:
A) Polishing will be at its' heaviest adjacent to the devices, and brushing usually the lightest.
B) Polishing will never extend onto the devices, and brushing usually will (under decent magnification).
C) Brushing is more likely to show absolutely consistent direction than polishing; if you see marks of equal strength in multiple directions, lean towards polishing.
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Valued Member
United States
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Wow Dave- I have totally seen both types as you describe. Can't wait to get home to "release" some of my coins from the stigma of being brushed to the honor of being polished.  Edited by shermae
06/12/2014 5:17 pm
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Valued Member
United States
477 Posts |
Here's a little better pic of the main scratch area. It really took some doing to get them to show up. I had to turn off all other lights and use an ordinary flashlight held at just the right position for them to show. The field scratches are mostly light but the parallel scratches across her ear are deep, go from top to bottom and are a strip about 1/4" wide centered on the coin. All of these are very hard to see without good magnification. The reverse shows very, very slight parallel vertical scratches on the field, really hard to see even with high mag, and the reverse shows no other sign of being cleaned. Rick  Edited by shootnstarz
06/15/2014 12:47 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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1). Coins in bargain boxes are in bargain boxes for a reason.
2). 35$ was a small price to pay for this lesson as long as you learned from it.
3). Don't be discouraged... We've all "been there, done that!".
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Valued Member
United States
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Not at all discouraged, just very surprised that I didn't see the condition at the show as hard as I looked. It takes some strong light to see the issues.
And yep, it's worth close to what I paid, it is still a beautiful coin to the naked eye. As you can make out it has close to zero wear, if not zero.
Rick
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06/15/2014 1:11 pm
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United States
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When at a show I want to see everything, so it's really* easy to go too fast. Like you Starz I learned the hard way so I go very slowly now and don't worry about what I'll miss.
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