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Pillar of the Community
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OKay  , as you may have noticed it's slabbed. Here is what ANACS had to say about it.  |
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What do you think, bonedigger?
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To be honest, I've seen other 1826 CBHs; O-111's and the hair is very defined on the other specimens but they were in far worse condition. I sent the pictures to a couple of members of the Bust Half Nut Club (Joe G. and Edgar S.) and they said there appears to be nothing "unusual or sinister" about the coin and that they both feel it's easily in the (top five) grade wise for the date and variety (R2 or 3). But that without looking at the coin in hand (cracked out of the holder) it would be impossible to be sure. Pictures don't give you the three-dimensional feel...
also add I'm just waiting for my collection to get a final attribution by (Steve H. BHNC in Denver) so I can qualify for membership. The trouble is the trip down to Denver 500 miles, 9 hours with lots of road construction, and $3 a gallon gas, LOL...
Take Care
Ben
Edited by Bonedigger
08/11/2007 2:25 pm
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Forum Mom
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At first look without seeing the ANACS slab, I felt that there were a few areas in the hairlines that may have been retooled. I have to say that I'm surprised that ANACS wouldn't have caught it, though, especially since they slab problem coins. I have to say that I think ANACS made a mistake with this one.  |
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Ah, finally found it. Here is the 4th edition Overton Example provided. The curls are very well defined but the coin shown is in worse condition than the one I've posted.  It's not going to change your opinion but I tried... LOL   Edited by Bonedigger
08/11/2007 8:14 pm
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Well Bonedigger, If Joe and Mr Saunders say it's legit then I would take that as gospel. I would consider those two the authority on CB50c. I still find it peculiar that the hair is so well defined considering wear and die state...as evident on this variety on your example and the published example in lesser condition?
Edit to add: A preemptive congrats on the BHNC...100 die marriages is quite an accomplishment. Good luck on the attributions and grades.
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08/11/2007 8:32 pm
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They don't know it yet but I'm going to be in the top 5 experts on the series. Already may be, Trust me  Edgar S. was really surprised at my Blue Collar Bust Half Dollar Set (BCBHDS) collection when he checked out my collection hosted on this site., LOL... http://www.coincommunity.org/galler...hp?album=157 |
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My initial reaction was that the hair, particularly in the mid-region, seemed too good to be true, but when bonafide experts in the series say all is copacetic, it's very hard for me to say otherwise.
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My vote (based only on review of the image) is that she's not been tooled. The O-111 is an R2. Nice coin! One of these days I should put mine up on this site. Need to get busy with attributions as I have 1500 or so that are not attributed. I was hoping to keep the hoard growing but I maytake a pause. If I shed some, I could dabble in the early coppers....
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Forum Mom
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Well Bonedigger, If Joe and Mr Saunders say it's legit then I would take that as gospel.
I agree with this statement. I didn't realize until now that you and I were typing at the same time Ben. Also, I do not claim to be an expert. I am sort of a jack-of-all-trades when it comes to coins. I know a little about a lot of different series, but have not truly specialized in any of them. As such, I know that you are focusing on this series and, I'm sure, have already passed me in the knowledge you have acquired. I have a lot of respect for your knowledge and Joe was the one who got me interested in the series in the first place. I respect him a great deal. I would have to say that the coin is not tooled. |
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I have to concur. Probably was too hasty to jump on the "tooled" train, because the question would have to be why only tool the hair and not the other parts that really needed to be tooled. 1826s I've seen have been some of the best struck and most detailed of the series. It's why I only own one right now.
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Aww come on guys, (Susanlynn9 and halfabustisbetter) it's no big deal. I appreciate your honest opinions before I mentioned the guys from the BHNCs take. The only way to be sure would be to crack it out and weigh the coin which I'm sure is part of the TPG process (?) I'd venture to guess. Thanks for looking Ben |
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Can weight give a definitive answer about tooling?
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Well, if they remove enough metal to give the coin sharp definition it sure can. Every little grain of silver dust which was filed off weighs something and it adds up...
The coin in MS condition should weigh 13.48 grams and that will naturally go down as the coin is circulated (or was circulated) and the metal wears away. Now, when I look at a coin which has great details, (actually too-good-to-be-true details) in some high areas that should be worn, anyone would begin to wonder. Then, if the coin weighs 13.40 grams or less I'll pass it up. It's just too risky. However in the 1836 example you showed us it looks like someone took a small diameter metal pipe and struck it when placedover the clasp thus adding incuse definition to the worn clasp. Maybe a .17 caliber shell casing?
In order to get that sharpness it had to be whittled and when you whittle there are shavings...
Take care
Ben
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Aww come on guys, (Susanlynn9 and halfabustisbetter) it's no big deal.
I disagree. I think it is a big deal. While I may not be an expert on these, I certainly have above average knowledge of this series. In spite of that, I believe now that I made a mistake. I think it's very important to recognize that anyone can make a mistake, regardless of how knowledgable they are about a series. As such, I think it's important to admit that and be willing to change my mind in light of more expert opinions than mine. None of us should ever be so locked into an opinion that he/she is not willing to listen and consider opposing views. |
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