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 Posted 07/22/2014  9:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr Click to your friends list
I just got a $25 box of onesies at the bank...oops I mean pennies... I mean cents. I'm so confused.
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 Posted 07/23/2014  12:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rackster to your friends list
Our system of money is based on the decimal system. Hamilton suggested that the decimal system was the most convenient system to adopt and offered unit subdivisions. A cent is the unit term that represents 1/100th of a dollar. The codified law merely states the production of a cent-coin and a five cent coin but makes no mention of what either should be called (cent, penny, nickel... whatever). Various interpretations of the law interchangeably use the term "cent" and "penny". People seem to know what you mean regardless of your preference. The unit measure, CENT, is required to be on the coin minted (along with other requisite verbiage) in order to indicate to the public the unit value of the coin and its buying power (motto, country of origin - USA, etc.). From what I've read, this probably was more meaningful in the early days. But it's not necessarily the proper name for the coin.

Indeed, the term "penny" may trace to colonial/British nomenclature and "nickel" to the composition of the coins minted beginning in 1866, but the usage of the terms today are still relevant. Purists and/or numismatists may opt to try to set the record straight, but what that record is...well...it's unclear to me. Folks may read the code and conclude "cents" is the proper name and not the unit measure. That's fine with me. Others may read it and conclude that proper names aren't legislated. That's fine too. So call it what you will...I'll know what you mean.
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 Posted 07/23/2014  12:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kefiroth to your friends list
As a collector of both British and American coins, I personally prefer differentiation of the terms if only to prevent confusion. (I'm now wondering if the US Half-Cent in its day was ever commonly referred to as a half-penny)
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 Posted 07/23/2014  01:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cruisinfusion to your friends list
I would like to refer back to denco7's explanation. That's exactly it


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To me, it just seems like a way for coin collectors to show what vastly superior intellect they have when it comes to the hobby of coin collecting. It shows that they are above calling it a "penny" like the common man does, because they are a TRUE numismatist and know the REAL name for the coin!


That's not it at all... I don't correct folks because I want to show my superiority. It's one of my coin collecting pet peeves.
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 Posted 07/23/2014  01:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roscue2 to your friends list
I, personally, could care less whether someone calls it a penny or a cent, or a nickel or 5 cents. It is, in my opinion, ignorant to whine and complain about a simple difference in terms for a coin.
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 Posted 07/23/2014  02:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ace_ftw to your friends list
What about the Quarter being called 2 bits? or the dollar being called a Buck or a tenner being a sawbuck, every coin has some other name.
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 Posted 07/23/2014  02:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list
Let's not forget the fin.
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 Posted 07/23/2014  05:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add triggersmob to your friends list
Lesson for today, for some of our U.S. friends.

This is a cent, and I don't care if you call it a penny.
Pennies-And-Nickels

This, however, is a penny and it really annoys me, when I hear it referred to as a large cent.
Pennies-And-Nickels

End of rant.

Steve
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07/23/2014 09:05 am
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 Posted 07/23/2014  10:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jay799 to your friends list
Penny is a nickname. It is what the coin is commonly called.

Much like the Canadian Dollar is commonly called a loonie.

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 Posted 07/23/2014  11:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JoshHellcat to your friends list
From my recent trip to the mint:


Pennies-And-Nickels

But, it's only the actual manufacture of the product we are debating, so what do they know?

Man, some people really get worked up about this.
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 Posted 07/23/2014  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
I think Sap nailed it here in this old post:


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As far as US (and Canadian) coinage is concerned, the answer is relatively simple: "penny" is a slang term for a 1 cent coin (just as "nickel" is a slang term for a 5 cent coin and "benjamin" is a slang term for a $100 note). "Cent" is it's denomination and it's official title.

For foreign coins, the answer is almost as simple. A "penny" was (between 1798 and 1970) a large bronze or copper coin worth 1/240th of a pound. These pennies are no longer in use anywhere in the world. Some confusion arises from a second monetary unit, also called the "penny", adopted when Britain and it's dependencies went decimal in 1971. This "decimal penny" or "new penny" is worth 1/100th of a pound, and is therefore the "British equivalent of a cent". "Penny" is not used as a slang word for "cent" anywhere outside of North America. I should also point out that "cent" is not used as a slang word for "penny", either.

The only difficulty arises is when people (particularly people from North America) are ambiguous about whether they are talking about American coins or not.

Using the word "penny" in the "North American" parts of this forum (Classic and Modern US coins, and the Canadian section) causes no ambiguity; if you say "I've got a 1930 penny" in the US subforums, everyone there knows you're talking about a Lincoln Cent dated 1930.

However, in the "International" subforums of CCF (including right here in the "Main forum", that statement is ambiguous. Do you mean a British penny, an Australian penny, a South African penny... or are you using the word as a slang term for a US cent? We can't tell, and would need to ask for further clarification or (even worse) give you wrong information, like answering "Wow, a 1930 penny is extremely rare and valuable". That would be true, if you were talking about an Australian 1930 penny. But not a British penny, or a US cent.

It always amuses me when I hear Americans say they've found an Australian or British "large cent". Britain has never issued "cents", and Australia has never issued "large" ones. The coins are "pennies", and they say so quite clearly on the coins themselves. Apparently, some Americans have been reading the word "cent" and saying "penny" for so long, the words have become interchangeable in their heads, so that when they see the word "penny" on a coin, they say "cent".


Done and Done.

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 Posted 07/23/2014  12:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list
When I was quite young and we didn't speak English at home I was curious about US coins we'd come across every once in a while. I could understand how one cent, five cents, and even quarter dollar could relate to our Canadian coins, but "one dime" had me stumped.
I asked my father what "one dime" meant. He said it meant one tenth. But he didn't leave it at that.
"Most Americans aren't Catholic like us, they're heretics." He went on to explain tithing and said that it was a requirement in the states, and one tenth was a reminder to Americans of their obligation. In their pay packets American workers received one dime with every dollar to put into the collection plate on Sunday.
It was a few years before I realized I had learned a lot about my father that day.
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 Posted 07/23/2014  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carnold744 to your friends list
@JoshHellcat: Apparently the people who actually manufacture that coin are not qualified to determine what its name is. Crazy, I know. I'm still trying to figure out the logic on that one.
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 Posted 07/24/2014  12:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nathancrh1 to your friends list
OCD

enough said .
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 Posted 07/24/2014  06:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shadz to your friends list
My boxes say PENNIES
My rolls say 50ï¿  PENNIES

The US Mint says this about the Mint Set

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The 2014 edition of the United States Mint Proof Set features:

*The fifth annual release of five quarters in the America the Beautiful Quarters® Program
*The eighth annual release of four coins in the Presidential $1 Coin Program
*One Native American $1 Coin, Kennedy half-dollar, Roosevelt dime, Jefferson nickel, and Lincoln penny


CENT may be written on the coin, but it is NOT how we speak else it would be silly when you get 86 cents back as change. Do you expect them to hand you back 86 one-cent pieces? Cent is a technical term for the AMOUNT of a coin. Penny, like Nickel and Quarter is the term used to tell which coin we mean when not talking about a specific value or collective value.

If I were giving change, someone could get 1 cent back in change, but I will be handing them a penny as change.

I am into numismatics, specifically coins, not etymology; so to borrow the words of Rhett Butler:


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[Frankly,] my dear, I don't give a darn.
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