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Uddate: talked to Larry he couldn't authenticate because he's only handled Philadelphia mint Zerbe dies and never even heard of a Zerbe from San francisco cisco. I'm back to square 1
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David bowers book says Zerbe wouldn't have accepted such pieces as proofs and would of Balked at them. And it's all a bunch of fantasy stuff out there. IDK but I read on p.c.g.s and heritage auction that there IS San Francisco Zerbes but they are very very rare. So it will most likely be an enigma for now
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I just read in WAYNE MILLERS silver dollar textbook that 1921S WAS an authorized branch mint proof. I think what you need to do is find out who actually owns one of these and contact them. Easier said than done right. Well maybe one day someone will. The odds of someone on this website owning a half million dollar coin is slim to none. Bout like someone owning a 1913 V nickel. But hey you never know. Maybe someone will see this post and come forward. Fingers crossed for you bub |
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I just read in WAYNE MILLERS silver dollar textbook that 1921S WAS an authorized branch mint proof. Wayne Miller is wrong. The Philadelphia Zerbes weren't "authorized," either. |
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He also included the 93cc 79o as definite AUTHORIZED branch mint proofs along with the 21 san francisco. Then there was the NOT authorized but definitely proof category which I believe included the 21P, as Morgan had a side business at that time supposedly. It seems all the EXPERTS differ on this subject. Breen states that a REAL zerbe proof had an S mintmark. Its all hearsay at this point I guess
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I have seen and held 3 real Zerbe Morgans. From what I can see in the photos the quality of strike is not present. A PL 1921 S is what I am leaning too. Many of the so called "Zerbe dollars" are coins struck from dies prepared from the same hub not the same working die. working Philly die's where not shipped to San Francisco to be used there after Philly was done with them.
This notion that worked dies where moved from one mint to another has no paper trail. The 1900 O/cc dies that where shipped to New Orleans had never been used in C City. Or more to the point no confirmed PUP's can be found on pre 1893 CC coins back.
I have bounced this coin and subject off 4 people that I would put them in the top 5 people that would know. They all came back as a "NO".
Leroy Van Allen is where you should send the coin next in the chain, he is the odd man out of the top 5 and he would have to see the coin so me sending him an E Mail would not help you.
I am sure between Super Dave and I we can get you his P O Box number, just ask.
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Leroy Van Allen is where you should send the coin next in the chain, he is the odd man out of the top 5 and he would have to see the coin so me sending him an E Mail would not help you.
I am sure between Super Dave and I we can get you his P O Box number, just ask. I'm thinking bounce it off John Baumgart or Crae before bothering Leroy; in fact, this topic might be worth throwing up on VAMworld in its' entirety. |
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I think VAM world is a GREAT IDEA! Would one of you guys be able to do this task for me? Not that I am too lazy to do it, it's just that I had a heck of a time getting pics up on this site that I wouldn't even know how to attempt such a thing. |
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Just let me know what/ if anything I would need to do for this post to get moved over to there. Not sure but I'm guessing the whole thread could get moved over there? Obviously I'm not very tech savvy or a good photographer. Maybe someone over there might have an idea. Thx
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IDK if you guys are just really busy or didn't see my request. But I would absolutely appreciate it if somebody could start a new/or post this thread over on VAM world asking for diagnostics/information on '21 San Francisco Zerbe dies. Branch mint proof VAM investigation |
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The reason nobody acted on your request is because VAMworld is a completely separate entity from Coin Community. Although many of us are members of both places, we're of no lesser or greater standing than you would be over there. You've a pretty good idea of the features on your coin, and that's where the experts are. Time to become a VAMworld member.  |
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Well put Dave.......... NOT. I thought you were the old pro here that even had a Philly zerbe one time and ventured and learned and loves 1921 coins? you have millions of photos in your archive of 1921 P. But you can't even ask a simple question over on VAM world to help a community member and brother out? That's just wrong man. Maybe you should of mentioned that you were too busy\lazy to post one simple question over on the other blog that you are a member of and he's NOT b4 you brought the whole thing up! Or r you just not the big helper on here that we all thought you were? 2 hawks has been the ONLY help to this whole thread. Guess the OP should of called on someone else for help besides you then huh? |
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Oh and BTW this isn't one of those typical>(what's the FMV of my coin?) or (what was the mintage of the 1927p) etc etc etc type of requests. This is a legitimate question about a legitimate coin that no one can answer thus far. Know how many dmpl there are certified for 1921s? How many PLs? I do because I actually went and tried to dig up info for the OP which is why I know he's at a dead end here and is looking for outside help. I guess you were right, he should become a member elsewhere because no one has any stock\input or even a shred of a clue here!!
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This is a legitimate question about a legitimate coin that no one can answer thus far. Yet you castigate me for making recommendations based on that reality. Nice. Welcome to Coin Community. You probably won't last long. |
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I actually had fun castrating you. Thanks for being at the business end of my rant!
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