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Pillar of the Community
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zxcccxz. The price would indicate that (replica), but just because the first one is selling for so much more does not guarantee its authenticity.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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At various dedicated ancient coin auction houses, you can find one like the first example at a better price and with a greater level of comfort regarding authenticity.
I'd post a better example purchased at auction for less money but CCF censored the coin last time. The details were too... good. I'm surprised your coins pictures survived. Oh... I guess that's why they disappeared from the OP.
Anyway, go to Numisbids.com and search for "Thasos stater" to see what's hitting the blocks in the next month.
Edited by ThisIsFun 08/26/2014 06:28 am
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Chances are that these pics will disappear in due course. There are a lot of high priced coins on ebay that are fake, anybody not sure should post a pic on the forum if they are interested in buying and get opinions if you are not sure.
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Sorry but because of the graphic nature of these coins they are not allowed.
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Pillar of the Community
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I have apologized (personally) to the Moderator for posting the images (coins) that appeared on this post.
I only ever saw the images as a coin and I would like to unreservedly apologize to anyone who may have been offended by my posting of those images. It certainly was never my intention to offend. I will be more careful with the coins that I show in the future.
Regards (and red-faced) Topcat7
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Don't worry, nobody is offended, the moderators have very strict rules!
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
Edited by MetDet71 08/26/2014 6:09 pm
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As for the general question: I would say a very, very qualified "yes". There are far more fake-sellers of ancients on ebay than there are fake-sellers of modern coins. Some of these are doing so in ignorance, selling "grandpa's coins" without knowing what they are. Others are deliberately and maliciously selling coins they know are fake. Yet other sellers over-hype their coins or deliberately mis-identify common coins as rare and valuable types, in the hope that nobody notices. Finally, even if the coins are genuine they may not be legal. ebay offers looters and smugglers an easy avenue to offload their illicit coins. Not only might you find your coins confiscated enroute, but on priciple, we shouldn't be making things easier for thieves.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks to all contributors. I think I have my answer. If the seller has a 100% return policy and a proven track record over many sales then buy with confidence.
Otherwise "Let the buyer beware."
Thanks, again
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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well, the moderation here has been consistent and eerily puritanical. if you're not familiar with the thasos stater that was removed, do at least give it a "google". it a fantastic ancient coin.
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Well it appears that I have to explain why the pictures where removed. First let me say that when it comes to ancient coins they had no hang ups about displaying the naked body in this case it depicted two wrestlers at their game. As a collector of these coins I see the art in them and not that they are two naked figures. What you have to understand is that on the forum we have a lot of young collectors and I'm sure that if you have a young child these images would not be appreciated in the same way that we do. With that in mind the forum Dad does not want to expose these images to our younger collectors. I hope that this clears up why the pictures where removed.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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ebay seems to get worse and worse regarding ancient coins. I no longer use it for selling any coins or other items as I think it is very unfair of them to allow fake coins and obvious modern reproductions to be listed next to genuine coins from genuine sellers. There are some good sellers on ebay, some of the members of this forum for example but the point brought up by Sap is one that does get overlooked very often. Quote: even if the coins are genuine they may not be legal This is very true and the impact of this on collectors becomes only too real when/if they decide they wish to sell on their ancients at a reputable auction house and questions get asked. also :- Quote: find your coins confiscated enroute Imagine that..... you pay a few hundred for a nice coin that you have been wanting for ages and every day you wait for the mail and it doesn't ever arrive.....  I am thinking of listing coins here, the auction section. I did think about using Vcoins but I thought the fees are a little OTT. This would be a good place to purchase from, I can't imagine much getting through the net that isn't right.
You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
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United States
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"Thanks to all contributors. I think I have my answer. If the seller has a 100% return policy and a proven track record over many sales then buy with confidence."Topcat7, just a note about sellers on ebay. A feedback of 100% does not mean a seller is trustworthy, in fact it means little. I have seen career fake sellers on ebay with 100% feedback. How can that happen? Let's say a fake seller sells a fake and once the buyer gets it in hand he realizes it's a fake. The buyer wants to return it. The fake seller, wisely for himself, gladly accepts the coin back and refunds the money. All is OK and the buyer will rarely leave negative because he has his money back. And the fake seller has retained his 100% feedback. And on the other hand, if the buyer gets the fake in hand and doesn't realize it's a fake he leaves positive feedback. The fake sellers on ebay have realized that if they will just accept 100% returns hassle-free they will not get negative feedback. So 100% feedback tells you nothing. Honest sellers will have it and fake sellers can have it. This is an extreme example but I remember someone, a new collector, posting on another forum who had put together a collection of a couple dozen Spanish Pillar dollars. All from ebay. When he finally showed them to someone knowledgeable it turned out they were all Chinese fakes. Every one. He lost a nice chunk of money. If you want to start collecting coins: 1. Go slowly. Most collectors big buying regrets happen when they first start out. 2. Buy from trusted dealers. Buy from dealers who are both honest and knowledgeable. An honest seller can unknowingly sell fakes. That's why I said knowledgeable sellers. 3. And this is the most important point. Learn about the coins you collect. And this takes time. There's no way around it. Buy the coin reference books in the area you want to collect. Spend time on coin forums. And more than one forum. You can learn different things from different forums. There might be threads that address things on one forum that's not on another. Talk to coin dealers, whether by phone, at coin shows, or by email. You can learn a lot very quickly by asking dealers questions. Educating yourself is the best way to protect yourself from regret buys.
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Pillar of the Community
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Very worthwhile advice here.
Thank-you for taking the time.
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