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Looks Like I Bought 3 Fakes From A Dealer.. What Should I Do

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 Posted 09/02/2014  11:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gotboostedvr6 to your friends list
The Morgan and fatman look good to me.

the Morgan should be closer to 2.8mm, however rim thickness can vary.
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 Posted 09/02/2014  11:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list
The date on that Morgan dollar is crude and the weight too low for the amount of wear, so that one is most likely fake. The other two I see nothing from the pictures to suggest they are fake, and weights are correct for the wear.
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 Posted 09/02/2014  11:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gotboostedvr6 to your friends list
I agree the date looks funky.
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 Posted 09/03/2014  12:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ADDIccT to your friends list
Also the G in the motto looks funky. Never seen one like that before on the Morgan. Even though that's not a date I've owned it still is cause for concern in my book. I agree the fat man looks ok unless its one of the rare varieties out there its most likely legit. Due to the fact that its only worth its weight in silver. Third one idk
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 Posted 09/03/2014  12:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list
the Morgan is not a keeper. Even if it is real, it is heavily polished and just junk.
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 Posted 09/03/2014  01:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BuffaloBuffoon to your friends list
Thanks guys! Ill be taking it back tomorrow, see what happens
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 Posted 09/03/2014  09:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ALP to your friends list
I agree, take them back. If it's a reputable dealer, they should give you a refund. If not, you probably don't want to be dealing with them in the future.

Also, just a note- the 2nd measurement you have listed should be diameter, not circumference. Circumference is the distance around the edge of a circle. Not trying to be picky or rude (and I apologize in advance if this comes across as so), but it might help when you present your case to the dealer if you are using the correct terms for the measurements.
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 Posted 09/03/2014  12:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ant76 to your friends list
Im sure he would take them back. Just a question but how long has this dealer been around? To not know a morgan is a fake? I'm sure you will have no problem. I just find it odd a supposed pro would let them slip like that. I can pick out a fake and I'm hardly a pro. Just my Two Cents
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 Posted 09/03/2014  1:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ASEnut to your friends list
I bought a fake morgan, took it back and he had no problem, told him 12 of his coins was fake he never knew they where fake
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 Posted 09/03/2014  1:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list
If the dealer is an ANA or PNG member they have codes of ethics to follow and they will stand behind their merchandise.
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 Posted 09/03/2014  3:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
This may well be interesting. Your not even sure they are fakes. So the dealer may ask you how do you know they are fakes? What will you say? How can you prove fake or real? And if real, why are you questioning them? This could be your word against his and he may just say you don't know what your talking about so then what?
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 Posted 09/03/2014  7:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1893S to your friends list
They all look OK to me. What's your concern, these coins are all very circulated. Plus, the price was good. I'd go get more.
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 Posted 09/03/2014  11:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chasingtailbar to your friends list
Some of the '79-CC Capped Die reverses have the filled G you see on the Morgan here... however I am not aware of any 1900 plain VAM's that have the filled G, and the 9 in the date looks... off. I'd call that one questionable. See if you can VAM it, should be easy enough given the filled G, if not, I'd consider it a fake.
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 Posted 09/04/2014  2:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Darth Morgan to your friends list
The date on the Morgan looks very crude to me as well, so I would question that one. Also, it looks like one of those "thick" Morgan fakes that have entered the market. Could you post a picture of the edge of the coin? I think the Chinese coin is possibly fake too. It just has that look, but I can't say for sure. I do think the 1911 dollar has the best chance of being authentic.
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 Posted 09/04/2014  3:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AgCoinAu to your friends list
It's really simple.. take the coins back to the dealer... tell them you suspect they're fake and you would like your money back....

If the dealer is worth their salt.. they will take the coins back !! If they give you any sort of resistance chances are they're not going to want it...

(On a side note I really can't blame them either... you could easily buy a legit coin from a dealer and at home swap it with the fake ... take the fake back and demand a refund...)
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