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Why Did The Group Of Seven Series Fail?

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 Posted 09/06/2014  11:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list
At last years RCNA in Winnipeg, the RCM had a large booth and contingent at the show, over heard a conversation between a RCM vp and another RCM employee constantly congrats to each other over their 1/3 constant sellouts. Talked to front line RCM employees manning the booth, with my concerns of overproduction and limited themes, they agree with my points. With this leadership group all they care is crank out coins into the dealership network, and collectors with out the thoughts of a healthy hobby environment, look at the glass bug series, the frog increased mintage destroyed a good series for extra 2500 coins. Be selective in purchasing, you will be able to purchase almost every issue latter at discount with this management philosophy.
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 Posted 09/06/2014  11:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NuMoosematist to your friends list
I'm afraid john100, I don't really understand your point. I'm talking long term....... (Did you read my post?)

Also,I'm thinking you really don't like the mint's rendition of the Guardian of the Gorge, which is really just a matter of taste.

By the way, do you have any of the Go7 coins in your collection?

Here's my set:

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 Posted 09/06/2014  12:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list
Stopped at gorge coin due to design, not to argue, but name me a series of NCLT that has ended, are selling below issue and now are selling above issue except for bullion value increases. As always buy what you like, tried to answer why this series failed.
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 Posted 09/06/2014  3:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kuh_85 to your friends list
I tend to agree with @john100 on this. Group of seven is towards the leading edge of the flood and suffered accordingly. I have pretty much decided to stop buying anything from the RCM at release and just keep a list of what to look for in the aftermarket a year or two down the road. The convenience is no longer worth the cost and the savings I'm seeing today on 2013/2014 coins would be enough to buy a dozen ladybug coins. p.s. Love my G7 set :-)
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 Posted 09/06/2014  7:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wlouison to your friends list
I agree with John100. By the time the fourth coin came out (Harris), the first three were selling for around $100 or more (in several cases). After the gorge coin came out, and failed to sell out at the Mint because of its 'unique' design, more and more of the first four coins started to appear on the secondary market. Perhaps collectors of the series were turned off by the gorge coin (which I believe isn't as ugly as many claim) and decided to give up on the series. When coin six came out, a similar thing happened. It received negative feedback and the value of the series as a whole, as well as the value of the individual coins, went down. I purchased the Harris coin because I thought it was stunning (and it still is) and I remember being interested in the rest of the series. When I was looking, around the time of the Harris release, I could not find the Varley coin for under $120.
It could also be that there were people who tried to collect the series as a whole just to sell them all, and once the series ended, the market flooded.
We will never know for sure...but it is an interesting topic. I've noticed similar patterns with a lot of NCLT. A month or two after release, the secondary value can be significantly higher, but then it starts to drop. A year later, they can be found again at issue or, sometimes, lower.
But I agree with NuMoosematist. We'll never know for sure until years from now what the value will be.

I'm glad I ended up buying all seven coins (two of them above issue, two below, and three at issue) :D I love this set and it's nice to have scenic coins to break up the (sometimes monotonous) animals. I just wish I had the fancy black subscriber box instead of the seven clamshells. haha
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09/06/2014 7:38 pm
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 Posted 09/06/2014  8:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NuMoosematist to your friends list
Thanks for your well thought out post, Louison.

You surely deserve to have the classy display box for your set.

Perhaps someone will offer you one at a reasonable price.
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 Posted 09/06/2014  8:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CC-Ottawa to your friends list
It's one of my favourite sets and I have duplicates of each of the coins and one box.

I don't consider that the series 'failed' though concede that it may not have been a huge success for flippers. I guess success or failure depends on your perspective... and when you flipped the coins. Timing is everything.

I know one flipper made about 100$ selling me the case and 3 coins...
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09/07/2014 12:41 am
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 Posted 09/06/2014  9:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add clvlys to your friends list
I also bought the set through a subscription. Glad I did.

I think that the aftermarket gets 'flooded' with individual coins from those who canceled their subscription after first few coins or flippers trying to make some quick profit on the initial coinage.

I notice that CA is selling the Varley coin at $124.95 so not all of the G07 is selling at a discount.

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 Posted 09/06/2014  10:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shopaholic to your friends list

Quote:
It's one of my favourite sets and I have duplicates of each of the coins and one box.


Me too. I have one set with wooden box, and one set of individual coins as well!
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 Posted 09/06/2014  10:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silveroid to your friends list

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I notice that CA is selling the Varley coin at $124.95 so not all of the G07 is selling at a discount.


Recently (couple of month ago) they sold all the set (I think in the box) for issue.
Although I like my set, but agree with people who said, that "success" or "failure" it just depends on whom will you ask - person who tries unsuccessfully resell these coins, collector that love his set, or flipper that sold couple of empty boxes for $200 each.

But try to sell any individual coin from this set - no one will be interested to buy it more than for $50
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09/06/2014 10:29 pm
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 Posted 09/07/2014  01:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MoneyPenney to your friends list
Anyone who still want the Group of 7 Complete Set with box can get it at Colonial Acres for $499. It does not have the cardboard box/sleeve but does have the wooden box.

http://www.colonialacres.com/produc...ng-outer-box
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09/07/2014 01:03 am
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 Posted 09/07/2014  01:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silveroid to your friends list


And this is exactly means "Success, as for minting uniquely nice series" and "Failure of the set in the secondary marked in the long term".
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 Posted 05/22/2018  8:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDon to your friends list
Not a failure at all, but a bargain hunters dream.
It took me until this year to fill the set and find the box.
All purchased below issue by a fair margin. I really love
this set and have it on display.


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 Posted 05/22/2018  8:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MoneyPenney to your friends list
Its a failure for sellers but a bargain for buyers. I've seen it sell for below $300 for a $600+ issue price set.
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 Posted 05/22/2018  9:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silveroid to your friends list
Congrats SilverDon!

I like this set. Some coins weak (imo) , the Guardian, as example, but the rest are very well.

the sad part:
I don't have display, it stored all the time closed in the box that in the box.


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