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Moderator
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What's odd to me about this strikethrough is folks claiming it was caused by grease. I would expect that grease would be more likely to spread upon impact, resulting in a more even blockage of the letters. Keep in mind, all we're talking about here is a daub of grease the size of a large raindrop. That's all it takes to fill two or three letters in a Morgan die, and it's not inconceivable that those Victorian-era machines flung such droplets around occasionally in the course of their work. So it's a tiny amount of grease, randomly flung and possibly never even seen by the press operator. And you're right - 99 times out of 100 the first strike simply squishes the stuff out from between the dies at escape velocity. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Hi guys, I have just gotten back from PCGS an 1880 just like yours but only the D is missing. They gave it an error slab with a minor die filled rev.
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Pillar of the Community
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Given the position of the missing features on the OP's coin, it's possible the grease/foreign material also obscured a mintmark. There does seem to be a raised mark above the faint D. I wonder if that could be the remnant of a mintmark? The coin would have added appeal if it actually is a branch mint piece.
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Pillar of the Community
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Greaser is a fairly common term for this error but you need to consider that it isn't just grease. Grease is a great bonding agent for tiny particles , be it common dust, metal shavings from the machines, cloth ... Pack these things together with a bit of grease and you get a very solid filler for your die. There is even a coin error called a dropped letter . This is when the grease concoction falls out of the number or letter it was filling and lands on a fresh planchet . The planchet is then struck and the number/letter becomes an incuse feature of the coin.
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And given how common greasers are, you have to wonder how many miscellaneous strikethroughs are dropped letters that happened to hit in the wrong direction.
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Pillar of the Community
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 with a Grease Filled Die, I've seen wood chips that are actually still imbedded into the planchet after striking, that is a cool error. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Hey jaobler, it's funny you say that, I also have another 1889 that is raw and quite circulated but I believe it is a grease as both obverse and rev. Rims ie the lettering and stars are very shallow and gone completely on some letters with still well defined letters next to them... funny thing is I can make out a ghost "cc" with the top serif on right c still visible almost at the ribbon. I'll be sending it through error pcgs service to see what they say. (Ps, I already own an 89cc so I'm not just hoping and seeing things but I do want it on slaves so it's on record as a survivor and error if it is one)
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Pillar of the Community
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And the D and O just below the mm area are the most faint of letters on the coin as if the grease/gunk glob was a halo on both dies but a large blob was in the D/O mm area...
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Forum Kid
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i was going to say either a Greaser or a filled letter! |
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Pillar of the Community
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Hey knockout, if your still around check your coin for VAM 6 (8/7 over date with spikes above 2nd 8.... Let me know if u see the spikes!? |
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Unfortunately, he hasn't been here since.
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New Member
United States
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I have a 1921 P Morgan that is missing the O in the word OF on the Reverse. Is this a unique thing? Does it increase the value of the coin at all? The rest of the letters stand out like normal except the O. I think it's to unusual to just be worn so I figure it is a strike error but I don't seem to find any others out there. Thanks  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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But if there is not place for it to go, then it keeps blocking the strikes like what we see going on with this coin. You may wonder, how can a small amount of grease prevent a strike? But in the case of a hydrolic jack, oil and even water will be forceful if there is not place else for it to go.
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Pillar of the Community
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Welcome to the CCF, Jstewart455 ...  Looks like you received a speedy and reasonable answer to your question. I'd suggest that, in addition to the helpful close-up pic, you might better post pics of the entire coin as well. This will help members recognize if the subject piece is a genuine coin, as well as to better address your concerns. Bear in mind that I'm not suggesting your coin isn't genuine. Morgan dollars tend to be among the most faked coins in today's marketplace; even the common 1921's. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I added to my educational images files. It shows the widening of the device, because of the grease blockage of the tapered part of the die:  |
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