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Project Data - Mint Date And Number Of Circulating Coins

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 Posted 09/28/2014  6:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Singer to your friends list
CreightonE,

There are a few members on the Mint News Blog dot com forums that have recently shown an interest in statistical analysis. Might I suggest that you visit there? If you do, post in the most recent topic as that's where you're most likely to get a response.
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 Posted 09/29/2014  1:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list
Appears to be an interesting assignment for a 6th grader.

I have done extensive research of Jefferson nickel circulation obsolescence .... although the data only covers the years 1938 - 1959

You can read the basis of the methodology at this thread:

http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...PIC_ID=58454

My latest update was at 300,000 nickels searched. You can view that data at this thread:

https://goccf.com/t/163828

Best of wishes on your project.

David
Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.art
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 Posted 09/29/2014  5:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jpsned to your friends list
I remember asking a similar question about the likelihood of finding a 1909-S VDB penny in circulation. A member who is also an accountant/statistitian said that this sort of search would be called "survivorship analysis" or something like that. It basically takes into account all of the factors that come into play that affect what would happen to those 484,000 pennies in the 105 years since they were minted.
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 Posted 09/29/2014  6:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list
I would give up on trying to find the "actual" numbers left in circulation--the dynamics of circulation, hoarding, and coin durability are far too fickle to calculate with any reasonable accuracy. Especially at a level appropriate for sixth grade statistical analysis.

What I would focus on is the concept of "half-life" and how it relates to other things--in this case, coins left in circulation. For the sake of the project, forget that rare and old coins are typically preserved better than common ones. Have your student do some research on "average coin life" in circulation to get an idea of how long a given denomination can survive the task of being used before it is too worn out and must be retired. For example, the number used to justify all of the various $1 coin programs is that a $1 coin will last 25 years in circulation compared to a paper dollar's 2 year average.

From there:

(At the risk of doing the work for you)

1. Gather mintage information for each year from the Internet (Wikipedia has comprehensive lists of most denominations)
2. Calculate each year's mintage as a percentage of the total denomination mintage (this can be done easily through Excel once your data are entered)
3. Using each coin's half-life in circulation, determine how many coins are "retired" each year (say a coin minted in 2004 has a half life of 10 years and a mintage of 1,000,000,000. In 2014, we would expect 500,000,000 to be freely circulating with 5% of the remaining population being retired each year)
4. Determine estimated total remaining population in circulation
5. Calculate probability of receiving a specific coin from circulation

And as a bonus:

6. Have your student check their data against actual numbers; e.g. estimate how many 2003 cents are left in circulation, and have them pull all 2003 cents from a $25 box of cents to check their estimate.
7. Have your student put together a collection of coins in varying conditions to show how coins deteriorate over time. Ask them to think critically about why condition and age may not always correlate.
8. Have your student extrapolate their data to estimate when the surviving population of a particular year will be equal to 1. Ask them to think critically about why their data will never show "0". (At the risk of teaching an 11-12 year old about limits )
9. Have your student research the relation between mintage, condition, and rarity in "classic" series such as Morgan and Peace dollars. Note that price and rarity correlate only weakly within these series. Challenge your student to discover why. (Answer: Many of these coins sat unused in government vaults until the 1950s while others circulated heavily. For example, an uncirculated 1885-O Morgan may be worth $30, while an 1892-O may be worth $200, despite being in the same condition and having a reasonably similar mintage.) Ask how perceived rarity might affect a coin's surviving population in the future (the 1950-D nickel is a prime example--just over 2,000,000 were made, but the public was aware of this and consequentially almost the entire population was pulled from circulation and survives to this day).

Hope that gives you some good ideas! Obviously, what is outlined above would be quite a task for a 6th grader. I would personally advise that you focus on one denomination (Cents 1959-2014 or Nickels 1938-2014 would be my recommendation) and would strongly recommend challenging your student to complete 6) above as a way to reinforce how to test hypotheses with real-life data. It may seem like a lot of money, but remember that you can always bring them back to the bank for a 100% refund!
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 Posted 10/01/2014  02:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldSkoolMadSkilz to your friends list
Interesting project. Dimes and nickels will have a pretty simple model with just mintage and age as variables. The dime has changed little since the alloy change in 65. The nickel has seen recent design changes, but not significant enough to cause hoarding of certain varieties. You may see some unexpected results with quarters where attrition from 99 to present seems lower than it should be. This is because people started collecting State Quarters when they were first issued. However, over the years, many of these have returned to circulation. Pennies are going to be the big outlier. Pre 82 cents have a high copper content and are commonly hoarded. Also, the post 82 cents are zinc and have a very short lifespan. Don't bother modeling factors for the silver coinage as unless you study a huge population, you'll see extremely few, if any.
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 Posted 10/03/2014  12:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CreightonE to your friends list
Lots of very good data to work off of. Again, I am thinking that she will be able to develop a good program based on this information.

I have emailed the US Mint, but haven't heard anything from them yet.

Does anyone know of any other resources that might be available?

Thanks again for all of the input. Some of the statistics of the volume of coins some of you have searched through is impressive.

Creighton
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 Posted 10/08/2014  3:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hollywood to your friends list
Hope this helps out with your project you might have to total up the bags rolls & sets !

http://www.coinnews.net/2014/10/08/...ts-adjusted/
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 Posted 10/31/2014  09:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CreightonE to your friends list
We are still making progress on this project.
We found a publication (dated September 2014) from the government that states there are $45,482,371,065 in coins currently "outstanding and in circulation". $38,989,632,955 of that are "fractional coins" and the rest are dollar coins.

This will help put an upper limit on the amount of coins she is going to use in the program.

Again, thanks for all of the input. If you have any other input of ideas, please let me know.
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 Posted 10/31/2014  10:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldSkoolMadSkilz to your friends list
6.5 billion dollar coins "outstanding and in circulation"? Where are they out standing, on the inside of a fed vault?
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 Posted 10/31/2014  10:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Off the top of my head - and a quick look at mintage figures from the CCF database - I don't think the US has minted 6.5 billion Dollars in its' entire history.
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 Posted 10/31/2014  10:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ddannemiller to your friends list
Another option for this instead of looking for published figures would be a more statistical approach (which I gather is part of the project in-and-of itself). For example, when taking a poll, instead of polling each and every person, you take a statistically relevant sample population. For something like coins, the population of each type of coin ( Lincoln Memorial cent for example had a total of ~427 billion circulation coins minted between 1959 and 2008) is large enough that one would only need to sample less than 1000 coins in hand to determine a distribution of current coins in circulation with 99% confidence it represents the current population. Using information about which coins are hoarded or collected more often can further reduce that information. 1000 coins may be daunting for a 6th grader, but if you take a look at the Coin Roll Hunting forum on here, you'll see that some people have gone to great lengths to find certain coins and meticulously detailing what they find.
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 Posted 10/31/2014  10:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CreightonE to your friends list
SsuperDdave -

Maybe you're right.
Here is the link where I found the info at:

http://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/fsre...14_3uscc.doc

Look at it. If I made a mistake, let me know.

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 Posted 10/31/2014  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ddannemiller to your friends list
SsuperDdave,

Using the data from the database, I've summed up the total number of circulation strikes for Lincoln Memorial Cents (to 2008), Jefferson nickels (to 2009), Roosevelt dimes (to 2014), and Washington quarters (to 2009) and found about $35 billion worth. That numbers presented in that document seem reasonable.
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 Posted 10/31/2014  11:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Click the "US Coin Facts" link on the left page column. We have all the mintage figures. Count 'em yourself.
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 Posted 11/23/2014  10:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kgp1234567890 to your friends list
Wow this seems like it would be a really fun project!
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