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Valued Member
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Thank you for assuming I'm a Republican, I happen to be bipartisan, and I vote based on research, not because my friends or family have always been __________.
In reference to your comment on the gold standard is "physically impossible", I'll get back to you soon, very soon.
Are you happy with the current economic conditions? We are on the cusp of a global financial melt down, if you don't believe this than you have been easily manipulated.
Enjoy the current fiat system, it's not going to last much longer.
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Had nothing to do with you, steveo, only the last paragraph of your post. Attack the idea, not the poster.
I'm not stupid enough to believe I know everything, and you seem like an independent thinker, so I'll await further posts. Let's do the best we can to keep this related to the OP and numismatics. I may end up having to throw this into General Discussion, so if it disappears look there.
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Wonderful arguments, rendered completely moot by the fact that there's insufficient precious metal on the planet to back a metal standard in the US alone, much less elsewhere. Going back to the gold standard is physically impossible, and it's therefore useless to discuss. Not if we return to our old gold standard ($20 double eagles having .9675 troy ounces gold) with still having trillions of dollars outstanding. The only way it could work would be to 1) redenominate (not by a power of 10, but by a power of 100, an old one dollar would then be worth a new cent); 2) cease convertibility of other currencies into USD (at least during the redenomination, and at least in the US only where we can control such things); 3) Limit the type of cash that can be redemoninated (i.e., physical cash only) and the amount of cash per day; and 4) lock down the boarders and prevent ANY cash from entering the country. Then demonitize all old USD after the redenomination, excepting silver and gold coins. It would tick a lot of people off, but it's the only way. If you can think of any other method of reducing the monetary supply to make a return to the gold standard possible, then I'd be interested. Other than hyperinflation and currency collapse (which will happen if we continue down the path we are going...and not just the US only) Additionally, there is nothing that says that a gold standard need be based on three metals (copper, silver, gold). Other precious metals could be added to the mix as well to "inflate" the available monetary supply to account for earth's current state of over-population should a standard start to crop up world wide; i.e., platinum, palladium, rhodium, osmium, iridium. |
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I'll probably get lambasted.....How does the push to return to a (Price controlled by the Gubmint) Gold standard helps the situation. Allowing the politicians to set the value of gold seems downright anti-free market to me. Just a different way of giving up control of our fiduciary system. Also is there an historical example of demonetizing actually working? Maybe I'm not getting it but it seems hyperinflation is what would need to happen to reinstate the gold standard?
Ignorantly yours....
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Well, there's all this talk lately of mining asteroids, and that some might be full of precious metals. All you need is a big asteroid coming by Earth loaded with gold! Then you might be able to make a gold standard work.
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Hehehe. That would swerve things a bit.  |
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Pillar of the Community
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I'll probably get lambasted.....How does the push to return to a (Price controlled by the Gubmint) Gold standard helps the situation. Allowing the politicians to set the value of gold seems downright anti-free market to me. Just a different way of giving up control of our fiduciary system. Also is there an historical example of demonetizing actually working? Maybe I'm not getting it but it seems hyperinflation is what would need to happen to reinstate the gold standard? I think the idea is to tie the value of the dollar to the value of gold, not to have the government set the value of gold. |
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Also is there an historical example of demonetizing actually working? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-decade.htmlIf the government sets an explicit deadline for conversion, and then sticks to its guns, demonitization works. Hyperinflation is the best chance hard money has of seeing a future since right now it's too easy to print money and no government wants to be tied down to having a hard limit. However, should a nation want to return to a gold standard, they'd need to come up with a creative means of massively reducing the money supply, and then demonitize anything left over. And if a nation should return to a gold standard, all other currencies (fiat) would fail (they all will fail, it'd just be quicker). However, a currency that is just "backed" by gold vs one that is "backed" AND "convertible" to gold are two different things, although they are both "gold standards", only the convertible one could quickly decimate world currencies, being just backed by gold would only stabilizes a currency for perpetuation (or until the backing ceases) and is a step in the right direction. And as stated by thehulk, asteroids do contain tons of precious metals: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sci/tech/401227.stm "In the 2,900 cubic kms of Eros, there is more aluminium, gold, silver, zinc and other base and precious metals than have ever been excavated in history or indeed, could ever be excavated from the upper layers of the Earth's crust." We know how to break rocks up, so an alternative to mining in space would be to break the asteroid up and bring it down to earth in large (but much smaller) chunks. |
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a creative means of massively reducing the money supply, and then demonitize anything left over. Yes, and gold will protect us from large-scale government manipulation of the currency. Quote:
And if a nation should return to a gold standard, all other currencies (fiat) would fail (they all will fail, it'd just be quicker). How? Gold bugs are a minority. As far as I can tell, most people wouldn't care. |
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United States
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If the Swiss do pass the gold standard, why would gold suddenly jump? I read above they have five years to acquire the metal, and I suspect a large vault would be needed first. So, why would gold jump in the first week? That's a lot of cans to fill and bury if they do not build a vault, a BIG vault.
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This has been a very interesting read. I didn't realize it's only been 44 yrs since the ending of the gold standard. I'm using the yr 2015 for my calculation. It's interesting only 2 years after going off the gold standard the oil crisis of 1973 began. It does seem people were better off prior to 1971.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Pardon my ignorance but isn't the US Federal Debt around $16 trillion? And all the gold ever mined worth .. around $8 trillion. So it doesn't sound as if there is enough of the stuff to go round. Apart from the fact that the world is a very different place from 1971. The global economy is surly much more a greater influence on every nation's attempts to maintain prosperity and balance the books than ever? Sounds like a recipe for global chaos to me. Which is perhaps why IS seems to be talking of introduce a gold standard http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-mid...ast-29600573. |
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Valued Member
United States
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Many of you had very good points pro and con, the referendum failed. I do find it quite odd that a poll prior to the vote showed 58% for the gold standard, and yet the final vote showed 78% had voted against it, draw your own conclusions. To me personally, this is a great thing, I can continue to stack gold and silver at a sale price, however this sale is going to last only so long.
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I suspect a large vault would be needed first. That wouldn't take too long. The entire 1500 tons of gold could he contained in a vault with interior dimensions of 18 X 18 X 8 or 14 X 14 X 14 ft |
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