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PCGS Vs NGC: Justification For Slab Valuation Differentials

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 Posted 12/10/2014  10:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list
I think registry sets are a major factor. PCGS sets only allow PCGS coins while NGC sets allow both NGC and PCGS. Top pop or nearly so seem to have the greatest difference in price between the two services. So if you are trying to build a top ranked set, these are the ones that you are after. NGC registry set collectors can settle for either holder but PCGS registry set collectors will have a preference for PCGS and will only consider NGC coins if they can get them at a large enough discount to compensate for the risk of crossover. Also, the people building these sets are probably pretty well off so large price difference are not such a big deal as long as it is exactly what they are looking for.
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 Posted 12/11/2014  09:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jgenn to your friends list

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I'm sure it's pretty much accepted that PCGS-graded coins generally bring more $ at auctions etc.


If you are only talking about US coins you should say so. This is not the case for all world coins.
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 Posted 12/11/2014  3:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list
I'm no expert on the subject, but it seems in most businesses there is a #1, 2...

Kinda reminds me of the old Rent-A-Car commercials from years ago, where Avis (NGC) says, "We try harder." Hertz was always #1, and still is I think. I suspect PCGS will remain #1 also.
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 Posted 12/11/2014  4:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add denco7 to your friends list
Classic example of market place determines the value.There is no difference in grading standards. There is no secret conspiracy or mandate to over grade coins to get more business, nor is there an effort to be overly harsh in an effort to be exclusive.(both being horrendously bad business models)

I personally will not pay more for a coin in a PCGS slab, even though the marketplace appears to be willing. There is no difference My Panda collection is all PCGS, my Libertad collection is all NGC.


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I'm no expert on the subject, but it seems in most businesses there is a #1, 2...


How do you measure #1, #2 ................. NGC has, and continues to grade way more coins than PCGS
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 Posted 12/13/2014  12:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list

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How do you measure #1, #2 ................. NGC has, and continues to grade way more coins than PCGS


I don't know how to absolutely measure #1, 2, etc. I was just stating my opinion that PCGS is #1. It just seems that way to me. wasn't aware that NGC grades more coins than PCGS. Whenever I do a search for sold coins, or 'for sale' coins, more PCGS results show up.

Might be a good poll question. Almost sure more people would say PCGS. Maybe they are right and maybe they are wrong
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 Posted 12/13/2014  12:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list
I'm only talking Australian coins here But there is a "Perception" amongst Australian collectors that a coin graded by NGC is a grade point lower than an identical coin graded by PCGS.
I for one don't believe this BUT I know for a fact that PCGS graded coins sell for a premium over NGC coins in Australia .

Maybe its because PCGS slabs were the first to be "Accepted" in Aus, I don't know or it cold just be a marketing factor.
I have had many coins graded by both companies and they are on a "Par" as far as my experience is concerned.
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 Posted 12/13/2014  12:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tbone to your friends list
If anyone's interested in reading through past discussions on the subject they can be found

Here http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...PIC_ID=66996

Here http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...PIC_ID=12745

Here http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...PIC_ID=66498

Here http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...OPIC_ID=2825

Here https://goccf.com/t/170630

And here https://goccf.com/t/184517

There's probably more, but that's a good start.
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 Posted 01/06/2015  7:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zookeeperz to your friends list
I am constantly clicking on NGC prices realized where everything sold for the coin type and date your interested in for both PCGS and NGC are listed . It is a one sided affair for the most part. Same grade coins can be 3x difference in the final value sold amount. And as mentioned earlier I would almost certainly guess those stark differences are for regestry set builders who have wealth to buy at whatever the price. I watched the latest live heritage auction and I can still remember paddle number 7509 seeing as he prob bought nearly everything lol
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 Posted 01/06/2015  8:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wwwww to your friends list
Because PCGS graded coins sell for a premium, NGC graded coins will likely be crossed over when they can, as a result the coins left in NGC holders are less likely to cross over even if PCGS is only marginally stricter for a minority of coins.
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 Posted 01/06/2015  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list
PCGS-Vs-NGC:-Justification-For-Slab-Valuation-Differentials
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 Posted 01/06/2015  10:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oh my florin to your friends list
Overall you have to look at each coin as it comes. I am willing to pay a premium price for a premium coin regardless of whether it is in a PCGS or NGC holder. Are there differences between them? Of course. Coin grading at it's very heart is subjective but you look at a coin and compare it across it's brothers and sisters and purchase accordingly.

The reason why PCGS brings more money is more or less speculation (when it first started) but as wwwww says this has lead to 'shifts' from coins in NGC holders to PCGS holders.
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 Posted 01/06/2015  11:05 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
I believe NGC is often better at technical grading and seems to lean more toward accurate technical grades with a nod to market-grading of course.

PCGS seems to place a high emphasis on luster and eye appeal and is a marketgrader by definition. PCGS graded coins often "look" better than equally graded NGC pieces.

Just my 2 cents worth. As always YMMV.

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 Posted 01/10/2015  4:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macdon to your friends list
I always enjoy this topic and it seems a never ending one indeed. I have a mix of all TPG coins in slabs, holders from ICCS/PCGS/NGC/CCS and some of the NGC/PCGS coins I sent away to ICCS for cross came back with disappointing results but I will continue to purchase coins graded by them.
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 Posted 01/12/2015  2:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tryna to your friends list
So, which is better Ford Or Chevy?

Same argument.
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 Posted 12/18/2016  10:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Harpagon Coins to your friends list
From my experience, I find NGC to have looser grading, that is, a coin with more contacts marks and scratches can attain a higher grade than the same in PCGS. However, PCGS are less consistent in their grading, albeit prophesying to uphold higher grading standards. NGC are more consistent within their more liberal grading.

When it comes to auctions I'm not sure. If I get a coin graded MS63 in PCGS it will value at X price approximately. If however, the same coin I send to NGC it might grade MS64, however, since the grading is known to be a little looser, it will garner a lower price than a PCGS MS64. This scenario has actually happened on three coins I'm aware of.

What I just wrote was a very simplistic form of appreciating the difference and I'll stand corrected my many :-) I tend to agree that NGC are more technically inclined whereas, PCGS more market grade driven. The big concern in my opinion is the consistency. This causes for a lot of heartache to collectors, because that difference of one point does impact the value of the coin, should it not be appreciated by the bidders.
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