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1884-S Morgan ?

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 Posted 01/18/2015  1:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cruisinfusion to your friends list
This is, no doubt, one of the worst attempts at a counterfeit I've ever encountered.

Where did you get it from?
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 Posted 01/18/2015  1:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list
With all due respect, if anyone remotely thinks this coin could be real, I would strongly advise getting out of this hobby else a major financial loss will be the result.
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 Posted 01/18/2015  1:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coin_kid to your friends list
It's obviously fake, but may I ask where you got it from?
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 Posted 01/18/2015  2:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list
It may not be my place to say this, but we have here a new member who admittedly does not know about these. Nobody likes being fooled, and likes it even less when others are slightly derisive in pointing it out. We've established it's counterfeit, so let's not "pile on" and if we haven't put this person off at this point, perhaps we can be constructive in seeing if there's any remedy to the situation. I'm hoping it was an ebay purchase where buyer protection can be invoked.
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 Posted 01/18/2015  2:38 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
Welcome to the CCF PoetsPennies.

As pointed out, your coin is a replica. More than likely of cast metal it appears. It does not look struck but appears to have been pressure molded similar to the large coaster coins you find in novelty shops.
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 Posted 01/18/2015  2:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list
Although it is a replica, I like the thing it's photographed on. What is that?
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 Posted 01/18/2015  3:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list
Indeed, both welcome and condolences.

Your coin is not genuine, but I do hope you stay to learn more about how to judge the authenticity of coins.

It's a fun hobby. :-)
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 Posted 01/18/2015  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Connicoins to your friends list
Happy Sunday ! Let me explain what this post was to be about...The other day my son and I decided to go to the flea market shop across the street after school. Conner loves helping mommy with her coins and has developed an interest in coinage. His grandfather "PoetsPennies" is also getting interested in coinage...something they are learning together. Recently, I lost my mother and so we live with grandpa to help him. Conner picked out the "coin" out of a token box and gave it to him. My five year old suggested posting picture online...yes he does have his own computer and loves E-Bay pictures of coins. So, grandpa proudly sat down with his grandson and posted pictures of this "coin." Grandpa never mentioned once that this was a real coin, only asked for information...I purchased this for 1.99 as a token. Thank you to the CCF members who posted positive comments regarding this and giving us the additional information we needed to further research. I can only apologize. to my son that I can not read all the comments on this post. I think it would be really nice if some of you go BACK in and WELCOME him to CCF.This forum has always been fun, so here goes my favorite banana![
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 Posted 01/18/2015  9:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add messydesk to your friends list
Is it even metal?
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 Posted 01/18/2015  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
OK, this is too cool, Connicoins, and I'm going to go ahead and accept a little egg on my face.

Lotsa teaching moments here.
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 Posted 01/18/2015  11:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Connicoins to your friends list
To answer some of your questions: Yes, this is made of medal, possibly mixture of whatever gray medal out there, it, almost of silver but with additives. When under high magnification, it appears to have been minted. Photos posted where done with camera...not my microscope. The reason there is a "?" behind 1884-S Morgan, as "PoetPennies" really wanted to know how a "coin" got minted without it having "Not Legal Tender" and plus the size of this coin is the size of a coaster, as previously mentioned. This "coin" is 3" round and weighs 46.90 grams. I bought this at flea market for 1.99 thinking this would make a great paperweight for my office. But Conner talked me into giving it to grandpa as he wasn't feeling well. Just for kicks and giggles, I just might post a couple microscoped picture on Connicoins...and no it is NOT FOR SALE as I bought it caused I liked it, so its a keeper.
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 Posted 01/19/2015  12:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mitchhailey to your friends list
Man I had to laugh after reading down the posts and then finding out that this is a 3 inch coaster! I sure thought it was simply a badly faked Morgan initially also. Just goes to show that with nothing for reference it is sometimes hard to determine an items size from photographs.

There were 3.2 million of these minted. Most of these were sent into circulation at the time so worn examples are easier to come by than mint state coins. Some bags of these were distributed from the San Fran mint in 1926, these also going into circulation. Some were also handed out at the cash window at the Treasury building in Washington in the '30s and from San Fran again in the 50s. Since collector interest in Morgans was not great at the time, most of these also went into circulation. Most likely some were also paid out by the Treasury in '62, but not by the bagful. These were probably saved. Coins ranging from very good to about uncirculated grades will range from around 30 to 300 dollars. Mint state coins would range from 7 thousand to half a million, depending on grade, of course.

This info was taken from A Guide Book of Morgan silver dollars, 4th edition, by Q. David Bowers. If poetspennies has an interest in Morgan dollars I highly recommend this book!

I do have to ask though; If grandpa knew this was a 3 inch coaster, why would he want to have it appraised on Tuesday?
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 Posted 01/19/2015  01:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gyrene7483 to your friends list


It is actually one of the nicest 3 inch sized replica Morgan dollars I have seen. I like how it has been pressed into the ring around it. I think the price of $1.99 was a good buy for what it is. I could see this priced as much as $5.00 by other flea market vendors and I was one of them until recently.
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 Posted 01/19/2015  05:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Connicoins to your friends list
I will do more research tomorrow, but would like to know if the 3 million that were minted, were also 3" as well? This is a beautiful "replica" of Liberty. I nor grandpa has ever owed or interested in the Morgan, until I brought her home. So we researched her and couldn't really find anything except they did mint coins this big in those days. But we could never find any information on the size. Internet was down so we were left with old fashioned look it up in the coin books. We are Lincoln fans and our budget does not provide for a "Morgan" habit, but if it did we would start collecting her as well. Under the microscope, she has all the signs of being minted. I will post images later.
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 Posted 01/19/2015  10:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gyrene7483 to your friends list
Connicoins, the Mint did not strike these over sized novelty pieces. The mintage of 3.2 million coins were the standard 38.1mm diameter 90% silver coins. It is unlikely you will find much about who might have manufactured your 3" piece since it is considered exonumia and hardly anyone marked them with any identification as to indicate who made them. That kept manufacturing costs down. It does look like it was die struck and there are many companies that can do that sort of thing for private individuals and novelty companies.
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