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Pillar of the Community
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MS-66 on the right and MS-65 on the left. Nice coins!
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I'm guessing they both got a details grade due to cleaning. The one on the right is nice, probably MS 63 if it didn't get smacked for a cleaning and the one on the left would have been around a MS 64 or 65. I've been collecting these for a few yrs now and am finding out the there are a lot of them out there that have been cleaned. I just got one of my best quarters back from ANACS as an MS deatails cleaned. I just can't believe it cleaned, but I guess it is. But on your one on the left, the toning is sometimes caused by cleaning
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Pillar of the Community
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Both are in "no problem" plastic.
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Pillar of the Community
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Both show pretty clear cartwheel lustre spud, what makes you think that they've been cleaned?
I agree that the one on the left got 65, and the one on the right got 66
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So far it is for the "66"
Seven for the right.
Two for the left.
Fun eh? Let's let it ride a little longer.
Pennynickleguy, that mark on the cheek on the right coin is some rub with perhaps a sister coin in the roll.
It is not a deep mark, but it is a distraction and in a focal area. But it is not a gouge, etc. The light is catching it "just right".
I am reassessing my photography technique . . . I left all the settings the same so as to provide identical lighting and settings for each coin. I think that might have been wrong. I shot the left coin first, and set shutter speed for that coin and caught a good image. When I use the same setup on the right coin, I got glare and hot spots. Perhaps I should have speeded up the shutter a couple clicks.
Or I am overthinking it. The photos capture both coins well enough to play with a point in grade.
What say the gallery, should I reshoot that coin on the right? Or is it good enough?
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I'll say 66 on left and 65 on right. The one on the right appears to have a little mark on the eagle neck and some abrasion on George's cheek. I am reaching here but 65 left and 66 right is just too easy.
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Drumroll . . . . It is "66" on the left. I have them in hand and for the record I call them both "66". With the better of the two on the right. Less marks, strike is the same as far as I can see. The coin on the right does exhibit beautiful luster, moreso than the coin on the left. However, I believe "Righty" it to have been dipped. Overall, I prefer the coin on the right. And yes, of course that is the coin that I carefully selected for grading, just KNOWING it would come back "66". Which is what has me kicking the wife and yelling at the dog. . . . . or is it the other way around . . . So now, if I crack it and resubmit, I am sooo guilty of collecting plastic, not coins. Grrrr. And playing right into their hands. It could get worse, I have four in for crossover and expecting at least one in an old ANA ANACS holder to upgrade. Yeah, right. Well, the results of this exercise make me feel a little better at least. Seven vs three vote the coin on the right. And the three that voted on the left just maybe . . . just might have been playing the psychological game. Perhaps.   Edited by Jon K
01/26/2015 11:54 pm
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It's better to be lucky than good!  |
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Wish I'd seen this earlier; the vote would have been less lopsided. The toner was clearly the technically-superior coin and toning doesn't count. Saw it clearly in these images, on my smartphone. Heck, I'm not sure the obverse of the other merits 65.
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Pillar of the Community
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SsuperDdave, you know I respect your opinions to the point of nearly blind trust.
But dang it . . . "clearly" the toner is technically superior?
How so? What do your Elf eyes see? (hoping you are a Tolkien fan)
Edited by Jon K
01/27/2015 11:28 pm
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 jon , it was half psychological and half 50+ years of collecting experience .  but I have to admit it took me awhile to tell the difference. |
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T-Bop, your post had no psychological clues that I could see, you justified your opinion with details. Though I can't see the details in the hair of which you speak . . . and I have looked at a few Washingtons. For 46 years, so you got me beat by a little bit! It was Dave's use of "clearly" that has me questioning my perception. You know, that raises a point. For 40 of those 46 years I had no clue, had never heard of PCGS or ANACS or Sheldon. It has just been in the last few years (when did Al Gore invent the internet anyway?) that I have tried to get my head around this stuff. Newfangled digital photography . . . ebay . . . . internet forums . . . . Jansjos . . . don't even get me started on this #*/%&! telephone that I am on right now . . . . really, my head is going to explode!! JHC, I talk to my truck, tell it where I am going. It knows how to get there and talks back, telling me where to turn!! Growing up in (very) rural Louisiana in the fifties and sixties, I am very much a low tech old man in a high tech world. Ah, but I digress . . . I do that a lot . . . . still waiting to hear from SsuperDdave if any detailed dissertation is forthcoming. And anyone else that can explain a bit about why the coin on the left is superior. |
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The obverses are differentiated far more clearly than the reverses, to be true, but the real-world appeal lies in the obverse. The blast-white coin immediately draws the eye to the nicks on the cheek, contrasting with the toned coin that has a little road rash on the neck and nothing else. Only one of the two has any nicks in the date, a place every collector ought to focus on anyway since many added-value varieties in all issues center on the date. So, generally, the second thing my eye flicks to on the obverse of a new coin (after whatever primary obverse focal point of the issue) is always the date. And here the nick in the zero and the bright spot on the neck over the 4 stick out to me. The reverse of the 65 is better - although there are only 3 small marks on the toner, they arrange themselves in a clean vertical line which draws the eye. I suspect they blend in acceptably, though, due to the color. The 65 would be seen more harshly (subconsciously on the part of an assembly-line grader) as any little nick will stand out. The technical battle is won on the obverse, and everybody since Sun Tzu has taught why the reverse doesn't matter. The toner wins. I like it better anyway. |
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Well there you have it . . . far be it for me to argue with SsuperDdave. I don't really disagree, but I also do not necessarily agree 100% either. I have the advantage of having the piece in my sweaty paws. The marks on the cheek are nearly non existent on "Righty" in hand. The lights are hitting that rub "just right" And that pushes it into "66" territory for me. Obviously, as I sent it in expecting just that. I never gave a lot of weight to any marks on the date . . . . just never occurred to me. In the future I will focus on that a bit more. Right now my focal areas are the bust, the cheek, the breast and the legs pretty much in that order. I should probably consider the cheek first, but nothing bugs me worse than marks on the bust. I suppose it is a personal thing. The graders aren't going to ask me my preferences. So thanks to everyone who played along. I suppose I will sell "Righty" now . . . . if anyone still feels it is a "66" in "65" clothing please drop me a line! I have a deal for you!! And as usual, learned a bit along the way! Edited by Jon K
02/02/2015 01:04 am
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Well, if those marks on the cheek are exaggerated by the photography, then I have no argument against the second coin being a 66. The rest of it certainly qualifies.
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