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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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United States
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It may be just me, but I think I see some wear above the ear. I'll give it AU58 with a shot at 62.
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Pillar of the Community
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It gives me the impression that its been cleaned but I don't think it has been. My rough estimate at a grade is MS-60.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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used to be gem but the photos make me think over dipped in which case UNC. details
Feel free to call me Will.
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Pillar of the Community
798 Posts |
If it was dipped I wonder how it looked before. Sometimes you gotta wonder if it was even worth it to clean or dip a coin.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Is there any luster? It's between AU and AU details IMHO.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Scans? Mid range MS I think.
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 United Kingdom
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Yeah scans... Unfortunately I don't have good enough equipment to take good quality photos of coins :( Here's a couple Natural light with my point and shoot   natural light with my iphone   Edited by Red
02/19/2015 11:35 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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In the new photos coin looks AU.
I mentioned scans earlier because scans often don't pickup detail or luster.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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There's a pretty big ding at 3:00 on the reverse.
MS details
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 United States
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OK, this is going to be a fun post.  First, the combination of the two image sources provides enough information to do some pretty advanced thinking about the coin, as you'll see in a minute. If you don't have professional equipment, one set for detail and another for luster does very nicely, thank you very much.  Now have a look here: http://www.vamworld.com/1887-P+VAM-14CYour images plainly show the characteristic "pinned wing" of VAM-14C. They don't show the stuff inside the D, which tends to prove the theory that this is 1F and not a 14x VAM. So this coin could be responsible for a concrete contribution to the hobby, depending on whether the question remains open. I'm going to ping a couple people who might know. Nice. Good AU, by the way. I can't help but see a little wear on the obverse. |
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United States
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AU VAM 1F, too bad about the rim ding on the reverse. The VAM 14C was probably listed in error. Although the appearance of a die gouge while the die was in service is entirely possible, the marks inside the D of DOLLAR are probably an unpeeled lamination or occluded gas. Poking it with a stick would show this. I'm guessing the coin was certified when sent to Leroy Van Allen, and he couldn't do this. The date position is clearly near, although Leroy has occasionally listed this as "left edge of normal position," which appears to be what happened when he VAM 1F. We need to see the date position on the actual VAM 1F discovery coin (from 2008) for comparison. Assuming I'm right about the VAM 14C having a planchet flaw in the D, I'd be in favor of eliminating VAM 1F, and removing the "die gouge" from the description of VAM 14C. Not my call, though. |
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United States
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Holy Cow, I just went through the whole V14 thing from all directions. I'm dizzy now. The first time through, I made the die gouge on inspection and found it immediately looking through Near Dates. Had no idea it was this tangled..
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United Kingdom
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Wow... Thanks for all the input guys :) I'd almost forgotten how detailed your die variations have been studied. Definitely a 1F, complete with all 3 cotton leaf die scratches and a fully clean D  Here's a close-up of the ding too... It is such a shame... although the ding itself looks unusual ?  |
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United States
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Yeah, I actually looked at that ding for a while before deciding it was postmint. Kinda looks like a flathead screwdriver hit it from the side.
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Posted 02/18/2015 8:11 pm
