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Forum Dad
  United States
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quote: A good bit of the acceptance of multiple IDs might also have to do with the fact
Possibly, but it more has to do with showing growth to the stockholders. They tell them "we have 30% more members", not "30% of our members registered another ID". 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1984 Posts |
I wonder whether or not reporting multiple IDs as membership growth would be an SEC disclosure violation...even if technically true, if ebay knows or should know the IDs are not being created by unique subscribers...I suppose they could 'fine print' and footnote the numbers enough to insulate themselves.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2602 Posts |
I haven't seen any discussion about possible shill bidding as a negative reason for not allowing two accounts on ebay. In other words, using a second ebay account to perfom shill bidding on the first account. I think this practice is rampant on ebay. As an example, about a year ago I watched several auctions by one seller and found that one particuar buyer was placing a lot of bids on it (and won a few of them). The buyer and seller both were from the same city and state. I figured out that they were likely the same person (or friends) and reported it to ebay as possible shill bidding. After that, the seller made all their auctions private, changed their ship to address to "Anywhere USA" and I stayed away from all their auctions. I have thought about getting a second ebay account because it is allowed, but my ethical side says its not right for the ebay community as a whole because I think it heavily fosters shill bidding, which makes it an unsafe buying environment. Of course, I would not shill bid my own items or a friend's items.
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Forum Dad
  United States
24161 Posts |
quote: I have thought about getting a second ebay account because it is allowed, but my ethical side says its not right for the ebay community as a whole because I think it heavily fosters shill bidding, which makes it an unsafe buying environment.
This topic has nothing to do with shill bidding. Shill bidders certainly don't register another account with the same name to shill bid. If they're dishonest enough to shill bid, they won't think twice about making up a name and address. Allowing multiple ID's does not support nor increase shill bidding for this reason. quote: I think this practice is rampant on ebay.
I disagree. I think people that think this practice is rampant on ebay are rampant. 9 times out of 10 when you think it's shill bidding, it's not. There is way too much absolutely legitimate behavior that could also be interpreted as shill bidding. We get accused of it because we have people that bid on almost all of our auctions. Doesn't mean they're shills, just means they trust us. Fact is, unless you can see IP addresses and know how they work, you don't know and shouldn't accuse. Discretely report your thoughts to ebay as you did and let them sort it out. quote:
The buyer and seller both were from the same city and state.
I bid on every single coin the dealer 2 miles from me lists because he starts everything at 99˘ even if it's in the case for $850. I can possibly win them all for considerably less than buying them straight from him and I can just pick it up and save the shipping too. You could've easily reported him and I for shill bidding and you would have been dead wrong, even though you were pretty sure of yourself.
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Valued Member
United States
187 Posts |
I notice when I put my pointer on the "Register here right now" that it is a "rover" link. What's rover mean in a link?
Jerry
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Forum Dad
  United States
24161 Posts |
It's an ebay subdomain that allows ebay to see where the link came from is all.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
877 Posts |
Interesting. We have two accounts for the first 2 reasons and had never thought of the third reason; but it makes sense. We are partial to checking out what others are buying and selling and study closely where someone seems to sell for better than average prices or buy foy lower than average prices to see what they might be doing that we could do too. No Paypal issues. We use our main selling account for buying -but not items similar to what we sell. We use our 'buying' account for selling items different to our usual items. That way both account show a range of activities. Our feedback scores are 100%  (touch wood) and 98.5% so we are showing OK so far. cheers Jeff
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Valued Member
United States
187 Posts |
Rover Rover... Rover Rover... Come on over... Over
I wonder how many people I can drive nuts saying that to?
Jerry
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Pillar of the Community
United States
882 Posts |
It's hard to believe that people have enough time on their hands to do the reason number 3. I like looking at peoples feedback and seeing what they spend their money on. But finding the same coin they bought and re sold? Seems like a lot of time involved.
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Forum Dad
  United States
24161 Posts |
It happens though, happened to Susan.
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New Member
United States
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Bobby,
I know this topic is kind of old now, but I am new to the forum. I totally agree that you can't buy and sell with one ID, but doesn't promoting 2 ID's encourage shill bidding on one's own coins (or whatever is selling)? I mean, what is going to stop people from using their 2nd ID to bid on their own stuff. It certainly sounds tempting when a Morgan is gettting ready to sell for 9.01 and a seller doesn't want to see it go for that cheap.
Kevin
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Forum Dad
  United States
24161 Posts |
Letting people have 2 id's doesn't promote it, dishonest people promote it.
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Valued Member
United States
96 Posts |
quote: would you need a separate Paypal acct as well?
According to Pay Pal rules you are also allowed to have 2 pay pal accounts as well. I keep two accounts for a variety of reasons: One: one I use as a buying account only so that if I need to dispute it does not interfere with my main pay pal account Two: It provides a "buffer" between my main account and withdrawals sent to my bank account for deposits. I highly recommend this for protection against ID theft. I keep no money in my buying account, and transfer money from my selling account (or accept e-check payments) to my buying account then immediately transfer it to my bank account. Three: My seller account is a business account (for reduced fees)and my buyer account is a personal account so transfers from one to the other are free of pay pal fees. I also have two ebay accounts for the very same reason Bobby (although I sometimes bid and forget to log in the correct account to buy) laziness I suppose. I need to be more careful. Thanks for the reminder Bobby. As far as shill bidding, of course we know it goes on but much less than before. Many of the sellers who used to shill bid have been discovered and "banned" but some still come back (as we know) in a new account. In order to shill bid successfully you need to use a different computer as the IP address will be an indicator that bids came from the same computer. I had a (an ex) friend that used to sell cars and she ALWAYS used shill bidding (she used to ask me to bid on her cars as you need a certain amount of feedback rating to bid high amounts). She had at LEAST 20 user ID's (she is no longer on ebay and has been banned). They ( ebay) also track bank accounts for shill bidding as they MUST try their best to keep the community safe or risk losing MUCH business. There is one notorious shill bidder I know of who has at least 4 ID's the main ID is "tarheelr" (also sells under pops.coins for individual coins ans "sealed proof sets"). He sells from North Carolina and I have tracked him for years. His closing bids on the "mint sets" he sells get as as much as 100% above what other seller's of the same mint set gets (why?). He is a "nasty" seller as well, check his response to negative feedback. A VERY insulating person. By the way a GREAT FREE tool to check a sellers (or any one's) negative and neutral feedback (without having to search hundreds of pages) is toolhaus.org. Check it out. It will list ONLY negative and neutral feedback for any user ID.
Edited by fasteddie 04/22/2008 4:18 pm
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Valued Member
United States
96 Posts |
quote: Trust me it happens, it happened to Susan, since she is incredibly good at cherry picking ebay. In fact, in the last month or so a new independent service has launched that will follow buyers for you
One more thought Bobby: If you use a last second bidding tool then they "cherry pickers" cannot follow your bids
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
877 Posts |
I would suggest you need two Paypal accounts too; if you are buying and selling and want to keep transactions separate. We just upgraded our paypal to allow us to accept payments and they want to take our outging payments out of our PayPal account (incoming payments). Of course, we can strip our Paypal balance before making any payment but you have to have minimum $150 withdrawal to avoid extra fees! We now have two paypal accounts, linked to different bank accounts. One for selling and one for buying.
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