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Feel free to call me Will.
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Looks like a bronze woody to me..
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Good answer AG Coin, but it does look like one
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I think it's bronze, but check it out, you never know!!
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It's bronze. It doesn't look like any brass that I've seen which has a different metal flow as it is struck and can be seen fairly well toward the edge of the coin and the denticles. The woodgrain on most later (especially Geos) was due to a wash at the mint. This coin is well worn and any woodgrain would be long worn away. It has been heavily chemically cleaned which is giving it the brassy somewhat yellow color. Sorry
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thanks for the awesome explanation okie, don't apologise, its not my coin.
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say, have you ever heard of an 1859 9/8 brass cent? I was just wondering cause I know a guy who owned a few brass 1859s a long time ago one of which was the 9/8 and some were in unc condition or very close.
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It's my opinion and that of other well-read students of the '59's is that the brass cents were not made on purpose, but rather from an improper mix in the crucible, where the alloy settled either on top or on the very bottom of the mix and, when poured into the ingots for the sheeting process, produced an near-brass allow for at least part of the sheet. Logically, ANY date could be brass, but the '59's lead the charge. The London mint was used to making the copper half-pennies (same diameter but 1/3 thicker) and the bronze mix/alloy may have caused problems.
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Heaton made the blanks, but the same argument holds.
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Dollarman, I don't recall encountering any brass overdate cents. Likewise any high grade brass Provincial cents. Under the right conditions enough bronze pieces appear to be brass that I'd insist on a good compositional analysis before firmly declaring the item "brass". Most of the 1859s I've seen labeled as brass were really not. True brass Provincial cents are very scarce. I owned a nice one for many years, but finally sold it because the price had gone so high and I had good bronze examples from the same die pair.
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That is interesting, thanks for the help jhax, I was pretty amazed when he told me this. Apparently he got them a loonngg time ago and sold them for huge profits but nothing compared to current value. Before I forget, could I have your opinion on this? I see him a lot at my LCS. We have the same interests and are friends so the dealer doesn't mind us making deals as long as he gets 5$ or $10. He has what appear to be a couple dp #4 but they don't have the repuncing on the bottom of the 9, any thoughts? If it was polished away does it still command the same premium or less? Or is it a different rpd all together?
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03/27/2015 07:58 am
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Anyone help with my question? I'm not trying to come off any which way, its just I might get one tomorrow and would like to know what a fair offer is.
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Dollarman, I've been very busy and didn't check back until now. The 1859 DP 9 #4 (reverse E25a in my on-line catalog) and its deterioration has been the subject of some discussion in the past. In later states a developing collapse under the 9 ends up obscuring much of the repunching in that digit. By the way, a good way to ID this die is by referring to the die cracks, as well as the characteristic repunching of the 5. As far as I'm concerned the prices in the catalogs refer only to an early state example with the repunching of the 9 fully visible. When the collapse appears and begins to obscure the repunching the value drops off dramatically in my opinion. It's practically vanilla, then.
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03/27/2015 10:31 pm
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 , you're a wealth of knowledge Mr.H, thank you. Feel free to call me Will.
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