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How Are Krause-Mishler Numbers Set?

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 Posted 03/30/2015  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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If all you do is stop here once every six months to ask a question as beneficial to the audience as this, then you're a good member.
Well I learned something today, which is what the M in KM represents. I never knew it. I always meant to search for it, but would find something else along the way.
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 Posted 04/30/2017  11:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Babar to your friends list

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If all you do is stop here once every six months to ask a question as beneficial to the audience as this, then you're a good member.

What if it is every 2 years? :P
I've run into a related problem now, where I know that a certain date is dated wrong in NGCcoin and numista (I don't have access to updated KM records). See, in 2015, Pakistan released a coin commemorating 100 years of Islamia College Peshawar. Except it was commemorating the date of 1913-2013. In 2015. Confusing, especially since the coin wasn't dated otherwise.
Note the date: http://www.sbp.org.pk/press/2015/IC...3-Mar-15.pdf (that's the press release from the website of the State Bank of Pakistan, the body that decides what coins to release, and under which the Pakistan Mint comes).

However, online you find this:
https://www.NGCcoin.com/price-guide...duid-1833575
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces71950.html

It's really messing up my dating system! Does someone have access to the KM catalogue who can tell what the it says on this coin?
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 Posted 05/01/2017  09:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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What if it is every 2 years? :P
Fair enough.

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 Posted 05/01/2017  6:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
Coins with "false dates" are not uncommon, especially for certain countries. Ethiopia and Thailand were both notorious for issuing coins with "fixed dates", perhaps even struck decades after the date that appears on the coin. The catalogues don't really have much choice; they file the coin under the date that appears on the coin, because anyone who buys one of these coins without knowing the story of their issue will look up "2013" in the catalogue, because that's what the coin actually says.

When Krause actually know that a coin was issued in a different year, they will usually put a "Note" explaining the actual year of issue. For example, here's one of the "frozen date" coins of Ethiopia; the coin is dated 1936 in the Ethiopian calendar, which equates to AD 1943-44, but you can see the note explaining they were actually struck anywhere between 1944 and 1975. The entry for the Pakistan coin does not have any such note.

The NGC website you linked to above, uses data copied directly out of the Krause catalogues. They usually copy over all the Notes about a coin as well. So the information that appears there on the NGC page should be exactly the same as the information that appears in the Krause catalogue. Since there is no note explaining the coin was actually issued in 2015, it seems likely to me that Krause does not know the actual year of issue.
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 Posted 05/02/2017  3:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Babar to your friends list
Thanks for the welcome, and thanks for the detailed reply!
I don't know what good it'll do, but I've contacted Krause through the link SsuperDdave gave, detailing the mistake. Who knows!
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 Posted 05/02/2017  5:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list
Yes the #s are assigned by the editors.

They don't always know of every new coin.

I actually emailed the new editor and she had #s assigned for the 2014 Commemorative Kennedy halves in about 2 months. THis was after about six fruitless attempts to contact them through their customer service page.
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 Posted 05/03/2017  08:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
I feel your pain. I have a 14 inch double row box (about 200 coins) that don't have KM #'s yet.
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I stopped adding KM numbers to my world coins in 2X2s. Now I'm regretting that decision because it would make them easier to look up...
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 Posted 05/04/2017  11:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Babar to your friends list
Wonders never cease! I got a reply from K&M (after their automated reply that comes right after you send the email):

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Hello Babar,

Thank you for your email.

I've forwarded it to our numis expert for review.

Have a great day!

Who knows, something may be done about it!
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And a second step!

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Here is what I received from our numis expert.

Our date field is reflective of the date as seen on the coin, when an actual minting or release date is far off from the date on the field of the coin at most we note this in footnote form, which is what I will do in this case. The date however, will remain as 2013, as that is all a person who posses the coin can reasonable know, what they can read on the coin.

Have a great day!

So it is as Sap said. Now I guess I just have to grind my teeth and use the 2013 date on my own cataloguing system...or maybe I won't!

EDIT: 200th post! And it just took me 5 years to do it. Here's to another 200 in another 5! :P
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 Posted 03/25/2020  09:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list
Bringing this back to highlight something new...

In this month's (April 2020) Coins Magazine, we now have KM# for US coins through 2019!
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In this month's (April 2020) Coins Magazine, we now have KM# for US coins through 2019!
Excellent!
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The catalogues only cover coins from the 17th century onward. Numbering is usually chronological, however there are exceptions (some older Mexico coins for whatever reason use a sequential format).
There are also Y# numbers, usually seen on coins from former communist regimes. Some older (pre-1860) Russian coins have C# numbers.
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