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Valued Member
United States
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okie-colin, I don't think Metalman is saying keys are based only on mintages.
I took the statement as meaning 'if' you listed only the mintage criteria.
Jerry
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Pillar of the Community
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Yes, I think I took that too literally. Thanks.
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Valued Member
United States
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The only thing I've found fun to do lately is try to put together rolls of coins off the beaten path. For wheats I'm working on one for 1931-D cents in AU. It's mintage is somewhat higher than the 31-S but at 4,480,000 that still isn't much for pennies. The 33-D at 6.2 million is another over looked penny when it comes to mint scarcity.
Jerry
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The 1931-S is a bit unusual for Lincolns in the fact that it had a very low mintage for the series but the price of a nice AU-MS example is only $100-150. Like the 1950-D nickel, the 1931-S Lincoln was hoarded in large numbers leading to a very large surviving population in relatively high grades. I would bet that it would be next to impossible to find a true circulated G4 31-S  It is definitely considered to be a semi-key.
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Pillar of the Community
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I am begining othink that the 1932, and 1933 are as scarce as the '09-S-VDB! Of course the '22-missing D, and some of the other keys, or semi-keys are missing, but the dates entirely, in all mints, are the two years I mentioned are the only ones. I have thousands of wheats, but not one '32, or '33. I am putting together rolls of each date and mint , where possible, but a roll of '09S-VDB? I think it will be just one of several "hole-rolls", missing from the date/roll set. Dick
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Bedrock of the Community
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quote: I am begining othink that the 1932, and 1933 are as scarce as the '09-S-VDB! Of course the '22-missing D, and some of the other keys, or semi-keys are missing, but the dates entirely, in all mints, are the two years I mentioned are the only ones. I have thousands of wheats, but not one '32, or '33. I am putting together rolls of each date and mint , where possible, but a roll of '09S-VDB? I think it will be just one of several "hole-rolls", missing from the date/roll set. Dick
Indeed they are! The 1933 was a tough coin for me to find in BU as well as the 32. The 1931D is very, very difficult in BU or even circulated, decent condition.
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Valued Member
United States
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Im the oppisite of most people. I have several 14d from good up to xf. 09s from fine to xf. 1- 09svdb in a pcgs xf40 holder. a couple of 31 s in au, 1 vg 10 pcgs 22 plain strong reverse and 1 22 plain strong reverse in vf 25 pcgs. When I bought the vg 10 I could of got a xf 40 for 800. I payed 450 for vg 10. This was around 2003. I'm kicking my self in the butt for not buying it.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The thing about the 31S Lincoln Cent is back then people did what they do today with coins. When they see something that may be of value, they hoard as many as possible. The 31S was so hoarded in mosly MS conditions by everyone primarily due to the low mintage. Now the market is full of MS grades of that date and of little value. As to key dates there are so many mysteries as to what may really be a key date. Example: I spent years looking for a 1920D Lincoln Cent in an MS grade. Just not around. Many, many in lesser grades but no MS. Finally a dealer that travels alot and knowing I wanted one, found me one. Is that a KEY DATE coin. No. But where are they? At coin shows I see 09S VDB's all over the place. Many for only five or more hundred dollars. Does that mean it is no longer a key date coin? Availability is one thing. Demand is something else. Amount minted is what was made, not what is or may not be in existance now. Who knows. A key date may end up being a 57 Lincoln Cent. With so many bent on the distruction of the cent, a key date may soon be just a cent, any cent.
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Valued Member
United States
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Just carl,
You were talking about so many peaple bent on the distruction on the cent. What do mean by that on what your talking about ? I know the 59 thru 81 cents are worth more melted down in copper scrap metal.
I been hoarding up 1959 thru 1981 cents that are brown, junk that I will not install books or folders. The us mint made billions them and when I go thru bank boxs of 25 face. I find maybe 4 to 5 dollars on those in those 2007 fedboxs. I been taking them and making 25 dollar bricks out them to save intill us mint will let you melt them without going to jail.
I been saving all au/bu red cents out the 59 thru 81 to install in books. All pre 1958 cents I save since they are worth maybe 4 cents each compared to 2 cents each melted down on the 59 thru 81 brown junk pennys. Those 1959 thru 81 junk wore out brown pennys dont have any colletor value other than to hoard copper or wait on us mint to get rid melt ban they have on them.
The coins worth keeping are wheats and the au/bu coins from 59 thru 81.
Since you been collecting for over 60 years and you saw what happened in 1965 thru 1970 when they removing all pre 1964 silver coins from circultion to be hoarded and sold as junk silver and then melted down into silver ingots. Its the samething over again with the 1959 thru 1981 copper pennys. I born in 1971 and never did see in lifetime. So what did you think about them doing that to all silver coins by hoarding them up like that.
My uncle bought over 55 pounds of silver coins in 1965 and kept them all those years. Silver at 14 bucks ounce and 225 per pound its worth around 12500 for hoard of silver in 2007. I dont know how much they are worth or if they been checked for key dates yet. He paid face value for all it in 1965 and pays the bank 50 bucks per year to store them. I never seen them.
Thats main reason I want to hoard up all 59 thru 81 cents since I can get them at face value. If I can I would love put back maybe 3000 dollars face value on them or trade them for junk silver coins to put away as an investment like my uncle did in 1965 with silver coins. Maybe in 5 years copper prices will be 5 to 6 dollars per pound or whatever.
Trust me I dont want destoy any pre 1958 wheats since they already worth more than 2 cents each on copper .
I think its same over again like with silver coins but copper this time.
Chevrolet454ss
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Here are some on-line prices for you to consider in "fine" condition:
1909-S PCGS: $135 Numismedia: $103
1909 VDB PCGS: $14 Numismedia: $7
1909-SVDB PCGS: $925 Numismedia: $910
1914-D PCGS: $375 Numismedia: $390
1922 (No D Strong Reverse) PCGS: $1300 Numismedia: $1240
1922 (No D Weak Reverse) PCGS: $500
1924-D PCGS: $50 Numismedia: $28
These quotes are only two sources of guidelines.
I've often been asked, when I say I can't afford to, "Can you afford not to?" :)
Have you thought about trading other coins in exchange for the value of the cents you are missing?
Jim
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 United States
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I have resolved to finish my 7100 before next summer. I have been staring at six holes in it for many years now (I am missing the big five, as well as the 1970S SmDt).
I will probably pay way more than I could have a few years back. I might very well buy them this year and in 2009 have the prices go DOWN because of over speculation. At that point, I will have to be content in knowing I have a completed set. The other scenario is the prices go higher and I have to spend even more money on it. I think I have waited long enough.
I must disclose that I am a collector first, not an investor, so that does affect my choices.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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chevrolet454ss: By cent distruction I was referring to just that. There are web sites that sort of specialize in the melting of coinage for a profit. There are numerous metal recyclers that take coinage in and melt it for the metals value. Around here electricians take excess wiring from job sites or removed wiring to a metal recycler for cash. They throw in lots and lots of coins also. Once melted down no one can tell what was a cent and what was a piece of wire, tubing, etc. There are those that go around accumulating cents by the bag from banks and take them right to a metal recycler. If they are known, nothing is said. Many jewlers take in Silver coinage and melt down for their business. Once melted it all is just metal. This constant loss of coins makes it impossible to tell what is left for collectors.
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote "Thats main reason I want to hoard up all 59 thru 81 cents since I can get them at face value. If I can I would love put back maybe 3000 dollars face value on them or trade them for junk silver coins to put away as an investment like my uncle did in 1965 with silver coins. Maybe in 5 years copper prices will be 5 to 6 dollars per pound or whatever. "
To each his own, but that isn't what coin collecting is about to me. In my opinion the best use for old junk silver is to sell it when spot prices are high and buy collectible type coins. That is exactly what I did with over $300 face value of old silver coins that were included in the coins I received from my Mother. After searching it all for anything worth keeping, I sold the rest for nine times face and bought coins I needed for my 7070. I have a feeling that were I not primarily a coin collector, that this would also be the smarter investment. Really nice type coins, or key dates of popular series have historically appreciated much more over time than bullion prices. I also doubt that copper will ever be a good long term bet for appreciation. First of all the Mint may never legalize melting them. Secondly, the price of copper, unlike gold and to some extent silver, is related to the pace of economic expansion in the world. That can change rapidly and rapid economic growth is never sustained over time. In other words copper is a commodity and is valued based on supply and demand for industrial use, unlike gold and silver that is viewed as having intrinsic value beyond the limited production uses that exist.
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: Have you thought about trading other coins in exchange for the value of the cents you are missing?
Jim Yes Jim I have. I have more than enough value in the six Carson City Morgans in GSA holders that I got from my Mother to get all three Lincoln keys that are left in upper grades. I have thought about it, but so far I have not been able to do it. They are all different dates including an 1881-CC and an 1885-CC. I have already sold the two duplicate dates. I am not sure that the Morgans won't appreciate in value just as fast as the Lincoln keys. I also just think those old silver cartwheels are awfully nice to look at. I really don't have anything else to sell outside of my complete 7070 that would realize enough to buy the Lincoln keys. Maybe Carl will make me a good offer on the keys from one of his eleven complete sets (geez!)
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Valued Member
United States
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Okie Colin, Your right the copper prices could crash and be worth nothing. Or us mint will never let peaple melt them. Its mess for sure. In my collection of coins I have clad 1965 and up stuff. Main reason I want junk silver rolls of dimes, quarters is where I can build me 32 thru 64 set , Mercury dime set, 46 thru 64 dime set. I built all my sets from bank rolls of coins and I cant complete them since I cant find silver in bank boxs in 2007. I would love have each book complete with keys for my colletion. I been working on 1883 thru 1912 nickel book, 1857 thru 1909 penny book. I did finish my 1909 thru 2007 penny book. An lot old stuff I had buy overface value on them to work on them. Since peaple are hoarding copper and paying over face on them. I can get it face all day long. Main reason I want to do it is where I can make money to complete my sets and build those sets like Mercury dimes or stuff since they are expensive. Thats the reason why I where I can make money to build my sets of coins to collect since they are very expensive. Chevrolet454ss
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