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 Posted 04/29/2015  10:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list
At least it happened in the mint, it's not the dreaded PMD. Still cool...

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 Posted 04/29/2015  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexer to your friends list
With a title like that you just have to look..lol. MD happens everyday, some people do collect the more dramatic ones though. As for any coin if you like it keep it, at least till you find a better one.
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 Posted 04/29/2015  11:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Machine Doubling (actually damage to the coins devices) is from a normal die. The machines dies move or hop during the strike. The movement damages the devices during the strike. This happened a lot on the 1968-1972 cents. When compared to a true doubled die, the devices do not have the shelf like (squared devices), but are rounded like the shape of the devices doubled. On a doubled die, the hubbing of the die is doubled (thus the name doubled die). The doubling of the devices are wider/taller in most cases and the more the spread between the hubbing, the more interest is shown.
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Not on this example. The one on the left is machine damaged. Note how the devices are reduced from a normal strike. That is because the die movement damaged them. The center image is a normal strike. The image of the right show hub doubling on the die. All coins struck with that die will show the same doubling strike after strike. The coin that show machine damage will vary in movement from strike to strike.
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Note the variety of Machine Doubling from strike to strike on these images. These were all found in the same roll and showed a variety of damage from coin to coin. the same machine also created normal coins as well.
The Machine Doubling on the profile of the bust is often thought of as hub doubling, but almost always is machine damage to the coins outline of the bust/reverse. Some doubling does occur on the central and close to the edges of the devices:
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Not the image of the left. How parts of the interior devices are doubled? Note on the image on the right how the outline of the bust is machine damaged. Squared corners, shelf like, reducing the overall size of the bust. The one on the left is showing hub doubling on some devices.
Now recheck your coin. See how the devices are squared, shelf like, reducing the overall size of the date? That is machine damage. (I call it what it is) But on a hub doubled example you see the devices doubled from the die:
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Hope this helps. If you would like an over view of coin collecting, watch the CCF youtube videos on the links below:
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 Posted 04/29/2015  11:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mister Kairu to your friends list
Wow very nice lesson Coop! That helps me because at first I didn't get what the thread was saying. I have heard DD and Machine Doubling but now have a better understanding of the difference. :)
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 Posted 04/29/2015  11:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
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 Posted 04/29/2015  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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"So close, yet so far away..."
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 Posted 04/29/2015  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHuntingDrew to your friends list
I nearly [staff edit: let's not go there please] when I pulled a 1969 S (what I thought to be a DDO) from a roll. Turned out it was major MD.
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 Posted 05/03/2015  11:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ChildOfTheWheat to your friends list
I thought I had something big, too. I was an idiot back then LOL https://goccf.com/t/191652
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 Posted 05/03/2015  3:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list
Child o' the Wheat, didst thou learneth from thy questions from ago?

You were not an idiot. You just lacked knowledge, and you've been learning ever since It's the process we all go through, if we understand that (1) we all start knowing absolutely nothing and go up from there if we are willing to learn and (2) even after years of learning or study or asking questions, we will never know everything. That's part of what makes it so fun; I learn something new every day here.

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 Posted 05/03/2015  4:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
And nobody has learned more here than I. Teachers are always the most-benefited students.
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 Posted 05/03/2015  5:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHuntingDrew to your friends list
Augh, first time my comment has been edited by a mod. I forgot what I even said...LOL... I think I have a general idea though.
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 Posted 05/04/2015  2:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
Do not sweat it. The lack of red means it was not as bad as it could have been.
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 Posted 05/22/2015  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cwb to your friends list
Some of them show pretty drastic doubling, but still not a doubled die.

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 Posted 05/23/2015  6:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list
For some truly impressive examples of Machine Doubling, click on this link:

http://www.error-ref.com/?s=machine+doubling
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 Posted 05/23/2015  6:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cwb to your friends list
Mike, that link shows a 1997-D Kennedy half that has strong "push doubling". I have a 1989-D Kennedy like that. Any idea of the value of these?



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