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They used the dash for the placement of the date from 1878-1883, which is why you will not see any near or far dates during those years. What I am thinking is that it's an 8/7 not an 1880/79. IMHO I think that the two are distinctly different with the 80/79 being a VAM 3 and the 8/7 (dash) being a VAM 7. |
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Cherry Pickers Guide lists it as a VAM 7. Quote"This 1880-CC specimen has a Flat Breast reverse, no overdate markings, and a dash under the last 8. COMMENTS: This VAM 7 is one of only two 1880-CC varieties that have a Flat Breast B Reverse. All the known 1880 dies used at the Carson City branch mint are overdates. Hence the VAM 7, which shows no decisive markings within the last 8, is still considered an overdate." There are 3 other 1880-CC VAM overdates and they all have a visible 7 in the last 8. Hope this helps? Bill
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Thanks Infinite, that's what I was using to try and compare. I really don't understand why they are calling it and 80/79, when it looks nothing like it. http://www.vamworld.com/1880-CC+VAM-4Edited by ChristinaM
12/25/2007 7:22 pm
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ChristinaM, You have very special gifters! All of the known 1880 dies used at the Carson City mint were overdates. This particular one is a VAM-7 and shows no visible overdate characteristics. Edit: I started this response and got called to dinner. You all came through before I could hit the "post" button.  Edited by SeatedNut
12/25/2007 7:33 pm
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Seated Nut, you win. I think I am just arguing the semantics of it. Why call it an overdate if there are no characteristics. I know that for that particular year they just removed the 79 from the hub..By the way, you're right about the special gifter..I also got a 91 CC Spitting Eagle.  Edited by ChristinaM
12/25/2007 7:42 pm
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yeah what they said, and you can definately see its a reverse of 78 so I would say they got it correctly
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This is a VAM-7A, clashed die and has a partial N in front of the neck. The VAM-2 is the only other '80CC with a B2 reverse. The 7A is rated as an R5 and can be found in Leroy's supplement list. Very nice coin!
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Hello, I hope I can jump on this 1880-CC VAM bandwagon for some help attributing my coin. Do these photos provide enough information to determine which VAM it is?  PCGS did not give any attribution on this older slab. The coin has lots of long die polish lines on both sides and shows a nice cameo contrast.  Like ChristinaM's coin, this one doesn't have any visible overdate features that I can see.  There is a tiny dash below the second 8, very close to the bottom of the digit.  The mintmark is the small type, I think, and there are no visible chips, pimples, or other features inside the C's. Also, this coin has a rounded eagle breast (not 1878 type) and a slanted arrow feather.  This photo doesn't show it well, but I don't see any die gouge behind the M in AMERICA. So, which VAM is it? I'd guess VAM 5, but that one should have a visible underdigit inside the 2nd 8, right? I'd appreciate any help I can get! |
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Don't know but I'm in LOVE, I would need to see the feathers of the arrow to tell you if its a reverse of a 78 or not
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If it's a VAM-5, then there should be a die gouge between the upper tail feather and the olive branch. Very nice coin!
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Thanks for the replies, everyone. Here are some more photos:    So, can someone make a positive determination of VAM number?  |
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I don't know what VAM it is but its definately not a Reverse of 1878 |
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ChristinaM; On ANACS Pop. Report they don't have any of the 1880-CC VAM-7A listed at all.
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ocsjr...I haven't been able to find another one anywhere. I know PCGS & NGC do not attribute this particular VAM, but I figured if I tried googling it, I would find another one somewhere... |
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ChristinaM; I think if your going to find one it will be in a GSA holder, I have one in GSA but its not as nice as yours, but don't think I would crack it out just to have it graded. There are some graded VAM 3A's out there which is rev'78 also, but they were listed in Kimpton's Super Clashed List which is probably why they were attributed. |
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