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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks for the advice
If the coin was graded a MS65 I would probably send it back, but since it's a 64, I think it would be a waste of money. Time, postage, etc to get a coin back that is not that expensive.
I was and still am disappointed that the coin would be subject to the pvc corrosion from their holder since it was not there when I sent it in 15+ years ago. It's too bad that they never opted for the hard plastic holders that the other companies have but do see in a small operation that it can be cost effective for them.
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 Canada
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You may also want to think about where the coin has been stored the last 15 years... those flips are not impermeable to water vapour and storing coins in a high humidity environment is bad.
"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Whatever PVC corrosion or issues with your coin were on it before you ever sent to ICCS. The inner broken seal had nothing to do with it. You just never noticed it before. If you think this has anything to do with the seal being broken you are incorrect.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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OK
Defend ICCS then
Point the finger at me for not storing or the coin was mishandled prior to the grading.
I have been a collector for a long time, I know how to store and take care of the coins.
The ICCS holders - the coin is in a hard plastic encased in a flexible plastic. I think its the fault of the holder's seal being broken you think it's the fault of the holder of the coin.
Doesn't matter
Moving forward, I will probably do the acetone thing and then put it in a 2x2 and call it a day.
Don't make judgments about the way I store coins without knowing me
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Pillar of the Community
Taiwan
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Wireman: Once the seal of the inner flip is broken the coin will be exposed to the PVC
laden soft outer flip. These types of flips will definitely create PVC and accelerate any PVC on
the coin prior to it being sealed. .
There is a reason that ICCS states on their holders: Have holder replaced if inner package/
seal not intact.
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06/01/2015 4:59 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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Hello folks. I called ICCS today and spoke with Mr. Cornwell. I explained to him that I had recently bought an ICCS-graded silver dollar whose inner holder was cracked/broken when I received it in the mail. He didn't specifically tell me whether the outer ICCS flip contains PVC. But he did explain to me (a neophyte Canadian coin collector) that while my coin would not degrade overnight 'we [ICCS] recommend that, for the long term preservation of the coin, the holder be replaced if the inner seal is broken'.
In my case, I realize that since the coin I bought is only worth $200.00, it makes more sense for me to exercise my return privilege and return it to my dealer. I live in the states and it would be cost prohibitive to send the coin to ICCS for 're-holdering'. Mr. Cornwell explained to me that ICCS will only ship coins back to USA via FedEx.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Since the outer ICCS flips are essentially submission flips, the older versions of them (and some newer ones) are not designed for long term storage and likely contain PVCs. So the possibility of PVC contamination if the inner flip is broken isn't all that far fetched.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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There is one thing to consider when submitting any coin to any TPG . Surface contamination or PVC damage can be present on any coin submitted. Over time it will get worse if it is not dealt with before being submitted. Sometimes the environmental damage will not be noticed by the TPG either. Before submitting any coin it is advisable to examine any specimen closely before sending it in. If you suspect PVC damage use a soak in acetone or Koinsolv to remove the damage without hurting the coin. Also a word about the ICCS holders. Check them often for inner seal cracking. As the outer part of the flip does contain PVC. Also frequently check any mint state Copper or Bronze. They will turn in the holder over time. |
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Canada
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Defend ICCS then Actually - the opposite. Those holders are not designed for long term protection of coins, especially larger and heavier coins. I see tons of ICCS certified silver dollars with broken inner seals (especially when some dealers stuff them in boxes like I used to do with hockey cards as a kid). As for the plastic types - none are impermeable to water vapour, and that includes ICCS, CCCS and PCGS. You need water vapour to complete the reaction to form PVC corrosion. ICCS does not have any guarantees, it is not even worth the effort of trying. My recommendation would be to save the coin first, using acetone (because that is what is most important) then resubmit it for grading if you desire. "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Actually - the opposite. Those holders are not designed for long term protection of coins, especially larger and heavier coins. I never really thought too much about it. Would you suggest CCCS or PCGS Hard slabs for very expensive and or rare Canadian coins? Edited by darryldarryl
08/19/2015 10:31 am
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Most of the greatest coins are in PCGS or NGC holders.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
867 Posts |
"greatest coins" what does that mean? The biggest? The champions from the coin Olympics?
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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"greatest coins" what does that mean? The biggest? The champions from the coin Olympics? I think what he means is that many collectors who have the funds to buy really expensive and rare coins end up sending them to PCGS or NGC (mostly PCGS I think, unless it's an ancient coin). Even Canadian coins. It's just a way to have them slabbed and be registered |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Does anyone know if ICCS has future intentions of upgrading their service? It seems a pity that they risk losing Canadian market share to US grading companies.
Every time I think about a few of my SDs including a 1948 that I also have bought already pushed through the ICCS inner seal and a small portion of the outer it really irritates me because they were purchased from dealers who obviously had easy means to resubmit the coin to ICCS before putting the coins for sale. It also makes me wonder how and why this appears to be a common problem given ICCS obviously is aware their holders are inadequate. Without reading about it on this forum, I'd be none the wiser.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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For any members of the RCNA, the two-part interview with Brian Cornwell in this year's CN Journal has some insightful questions and answers regarding ICCS. |
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