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Philip II Tetradrachm ID

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 Posted 06/25/2015  4:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
I hope you will be able to get your money back. Both coins are clearly fake.
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 Posted 06/25/2015  10:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oh my florin to your friends list
Same thoughts as echizento hope you get your money back and make sure to buy only from reputable dealers. People here can help guide you.
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 Posted 06/30/2015  07:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add phrenzy to your friends list
I have been offered a refund on the philip II tetradrachm and the hemidrachm from the same seller, no word on whether I will get money for postage back though. The philip II wasn't even silver (XRF'd), though the hemidrachm was. I'm waiting until the Macedonian coin actually arrives before I ask for a refund. The two other ancient coins I bought before I posted here I hold out a little more hope for although the second coin of the pair (they were listed together) is of a type that I've seen on the fake list, though it might have been a fake of a real coin. I'm sure I'll be posting again opinions when they arrive.

I am very grateful for your assistance.

As I said before I will be saving my money and buying just a couple of more interesting coins from more reputable sources. With all the refund money I'll be loaded for bear when I see the right early Lydian silver. I almost bought a hammered Richard II quater noble the other day but it wasn't in the best shape and buying coins with obvious problems goes against my new rules.

I have to say though that getting into ancient coins has taken the shine off of my early Australian sovereign collection a little. They just don't represent the same amazing history to me any more.

Anyhow,again, thanks.
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 Posted 06/30/2015  09:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
It is very true that not all copies of ancient coins are cast.

Dies for striking can be hubbed of a 3D print of the original coin. The newly hubbed dies can also be tooled to distinguish them stylistically from the original coin, and to clean up the lettering and devices.

As such, each blank can also still be highly individualistic.

If you don't really know how to pick such fakes, it pays to buy from an experienced expert in his field, with an established and well respected reputation.

(I am still very much 'half baked' on MY learning curve.)
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 Posted 06/30/2015  11:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add phrenzy to your friends list
Got the last 2 I'm the mail that I had bought before I was snapped back into reality by the good people here. The condition isn't as good as I had hoped (or expected from the pictures), but I don't see casting bubbles, though as mentioned that's no garuntee. I remember seeing another coin like the philip II but I've been reading so much about fakes that now I'm worried it triggers a memory because it was similar to a picture I saw on one of those indexes of fakes.

Anyhow this should be my last post like this since I'm going to be much more careful from now on, but have I managed to get 5 fakes in a row?



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 Posted 07/01/2015  12:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arnoldoe to your friends list
I think both appear to be real, but I would wait for what others say

and I checked the ebay listing and it looks like the seller put up the wrong picture for the obverse, because it doesn't match the coin you got.

Philip-II-Tetradrachm-ID

It was the same as the coin from another listing of his
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ancient-Gre...047675.l2557
Edited by arnoldoe
07/01/2015 12:12 am
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 Posted 07/01/2015  12:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arnoldoe to your friends list
I just noticed the seller said the Philip II coin weighed 16.6g, which would be pretty heavy, it should be around 13.8-14.5 grams
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 Posted 07/01/2015  12:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add phrenzy to your friends list
Geez your very sharp, tracking down the auction. Yes I did notice that and I'm contacting him. I figured best to get a read on if they are genuine first so I could raise the issues all at once.
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 Posted 07/01/2015  12:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add phrenzy to your friends list
Just weighed them, the philip II is 13.6 and the Alexander is 16.78. The Alexander is about 2mm wider on average and slightly thicker with higher relief even though it's obviously more worn.
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 Posted 07/01/2015  12:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arnoldoe to your friends list
Yeah, that would seem to be about right, But I think that it is /might be a non official issue, similar to this
http://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=122864
Edited by arnoldoe
07/01/2015 12:48 am
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 Posted 07/01/2015  02:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oh my florin to your friends list
1st is an imitation from the style, 2nd looks genuine but to much wear to be the one pictured.
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 Posted 07/01/2015  03:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add phrenzy to your friends list
You mean a period imitation? Or a modern imitation? I've usually done pretty well on ebay, though that's with me sticking with what I know where I'm able to evaluate what I'm getting much better. I'll be glad when it's all over with. Frankly I should have known better though.
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 Posted 07/01/2015  05:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oh my florin to your friends list
Period to me not modern and as such worth considerably less. Mate if you are that desperate for ancient Macedonian coins I will sell you my collection feeling like a new car lol
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 Posted 07/01/2015  05:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add phrenzy to your friends list
I bought them all in a 48 hour period, it's not like I went back to the well after I got bit. I don't mind an imitation, just glad to have something that's not been made in a Turkish garage :)
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 Posted 07/01/2015  07:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oh my florin to your friends list
Yeah I wasn't having a jibe at you I was more joking about selling my collection. Sorry for any unintentional offence mate.
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