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Philip II Tetradrachm ID

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 Posted 06/25/2015  09:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I bet that sneaky got it returned and posted it for sale again!


You're probably right.
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 Posted 06/25/2015  09:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add phrenzy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't understand how these guys maintain 99.X% positive feedback. Are people not giving them bad feedback? Are people not checking their coins? Are they changing their feedback after they get a refund? Oh well, only 2 to go from a third seller who had slabbed coins for sale as well so at least I know he has some real coins (thigh even that's not a garuntee now days). The seller of the above fankencoin was theod2011 incase anyone runs into that name in the future. Just not my day :)

I think my strategy in the future will be to buy one or two really really nice coins a year. I'll take all the money I hopefully get in refunds and save for a little while and get a really nice kroisos lion stater.
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 Posted 06/25/2015  09:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ebay has a very curious policy regarding feedback. If a seller refuses to refund and you end up in a dispute over the transaction the buyer is not allowed to leave negative feedback.

Conversely I had a buyer from Spain leave negative feedback on items which he refused to even pay for !
Yet when I asked ebay why I could not leave negative feedback on the guy ebay told me that the buyer only had that option !
But he never bought anything I said
Does not matter said they
You want me to lie and leave positive feedback ?
If you lie you are violating ebay rules.
So if I leave positive feedback (my only choice given) I am violating rules ?
No answer

When I had a seller refuse to refund an iPad purchase ebay told me the seller was allowed to keep both my money and the iPad !
Fortunately my credit card company took a dim view of these ebay shannanigans and refunded my money.
To add insult to injury ebay would not permit me to leave negative feedback.

The lesson is always pay by credit card and trust ebay to protect you like a spider protects flies
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 Posted 06/25/2015  4:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hope you will be able to get your money back. Both coins are clearly fake.
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 Posted 06/25/2015  10:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oh my florin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Same thoughts as echizento hope you get your money back and make sure to buy only from reputable dealers. People here can help guide you.
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 Posted 06/30/2015  07:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add phrenzy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have been offered a refund on the philip II tetradrachm and the hemidrachm from the same seller, no word on whether I will get money for postage back though. The philip II wasn't even silver (XRF'd), though the hemidrachm was. I'm waiting until the Macedonian coin actually arrives before I ask for a refund. The two other ancient coins I bought before I posted here I hold out a little more hope for although the second coin of the pair (they were listed together) is of a type that I've seen on the fake list, though it might have been a fake of a real coin. I'm sure I'll be posting again opinions when they arrive.

I am very grateful for your assistance.

As I said before I will be saving my money and buying just a couple of more interesting coins from more reputable sources. With all the refund money I'll be loaded for bear when I see the right early Lydian silver. I almost bought a hammered Richard II quater noble the other day but it wasn't in the best shape and buying coins with obvious problems goes against my new rules.

I have to say though that getting into ancient coins has taken the shine off of my early Australian sovereign collection a little. They just don't represent the same amazing history to me any more.

Anyhow,again, thanks.
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 Posted 06/30/2015  09:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is very true that not all copies of ancient coins are cast.

Dies for striking can be hubbed of a 3D print of the original coin. The newly hubbed dies can also be tooled to distinguish them stylistically from the original coin, and to clean up the lettering and devices.

As such, each blank can also still be highly individualistic.

If you don't really know how to pick such fakes, it pays to buy from an experienced expert in his field, with an established and well respected reputation.

(I am still very much 'half baked' on MY learning curve.)
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 Posted 06/30/2015  11:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add phrenzy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Got the last 2 I'm the mail that I had bought before I was snapped back into reality by the good people here. The condition isn't as good as I had hoped (or expected from the pictures), but I don't see casting bubbles, though as mentioned that's no garuntee. I remember seeing another coin like the philip II but I've been reading so much about fakes that now I'm worried it triggers a memory because it was similar to a picture I saw on one of those indexes of fakes.

Anyhow this should be my last post like this since I'm going to be much more careful from now on, but have I managed to get 5 fakes in a row?



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 Posted 07/01/2015  12:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arnoldoe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think both appear to be real, but I would wait for what others say

and I checked the ebay listing and it looks like the seller put up the wrong picture for the obverse, because it doesn't match the coin you got.

Philip-II-Tetradrachm-ID

It was the same as the coin from another listing of his
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ancient-Gre...047675.l2557
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07/01/2015 12:12 am
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 Posted 07/01/2015  12:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arnoldoe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just noticed the seller said the Philip II coin weighed 16.6g, which would be pretty heavy, it should be around 13.8-14.5 grams
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 Posted 07/01/2015  12:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add phrenzy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Geez your very sharp, tracking down the auction. Yes I did notice that and I'm contacting him. I figured best to get a read on if they are genuine first so I could raise the issues all at once.
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 Posted 07/01/2015  12:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add phrenzy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just weighed them, the philip II is 13.6 and the Alexander is 16.78. The Alexander is about 2mm wider on average and slightly thicker with higher relief even though it's obviously more worn.
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 Posted 07/01/2015  12:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arnoldoe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, that would seem to be about right, But I think that it is /might be a non official issue, similar to this
http://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=122864
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07/01/2015 12:48 am
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 Posted 07/01/2015  02:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oh my florin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1st is an imitation from the style, 2nd looks genuine but to much wear to be the one pictured.
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 Posted 07/01/2015  03:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add phrenzy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You mean a period imitation? Or a modern imitation? I've usually done pretty well on ebay, though that's with me sticking with what I know where I'm able to evaluate what I'm getting much better. I'll be glad when it's all over with. Frankly I should have known better though.
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