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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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If that link is showing the same coin ...
I would be closer to a Fine grade
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1788 Posts |
F12 was my first opinion.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
7375 Posts |
Nice work Dave. Looks over graded fur shure, but still for $26 you're not upside down too bad.
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Valued Member
 United States
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Well guys maybe it's not the score I was hoping for :( I bet that is the same coin I just purchased , I compaired that photo to PCGS photo grade and my ANA grading standards ... One thing I agree with is it isn't a EF 40 , but I don't think it's as low as F 12 though ! From looking , reading and comparing to me it looks about VF20 possibly even VF30 ... If it turns out to be a problem free VF 20-25 coin for under 30 bucks , I don't think that's so bad ! Here's a photo of a VF 30 coin from my ANA book ...  I may be wrong but to me this photo above and PCGS photo for a VF25 IHC look quit similar to the photo Dave found ... So anyone think I'm atleast in the VF range ? If not might have to return it :( |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Let's see the coin "in hand" before getting bent outta shape. You were banking on it being over-graded anyway. Light can do funny things. Best case, you got the coin you wanted and have a benchmark for a possible upgrade down the road. Worse case, you're out shipping.
Edited by CopperCastle
12/11/2015 12:08 am
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Valued Member
United States
305 Posts |
Copper castle
You know what you are 100% right :)
I really did expect the coin to be graded on the generous side , since it's nnc we're talking about here ...
I was just a bit shocked when a few posted it looked F12!
Myself I have a tough time getting decent photos of copper and have heard others mention they have that problem aswell so maybe that's a small factor !
Like you said it could be lighting or a number of things ....
I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't be dissipointed if it was only F12 and man that would be a heck of a overgraded coin :)
As you said though until I get the coin in hand it's going to be hard to pint point whether or not it has these small details that's going to bump the grade up or down !
I will say though that from what I'm seeing it's looking to be VF 20-25 hopefully better , but just have to wait and see I guess ....
At this point it's more less I paid high retail if it's a problem free F12 or got a decent deal if problem free VF ....
At the end of the day it's looks to be a better example than I have , lol you know this is why I call it bad photo gambling ...
You really never know , I've scored some nice coins for a fraction of there value this way but I've also got my butt scorched a time or two :)
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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That is not a F-12 piece. Come on guys...
VF-25
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Rest in Peace
United States
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COINGUY , on the original link you showed us of that coin the seller did not offer a reverse photo. to me that is a big red flag. not to mention that dumb small pic of obverse.  the price is good. but like they say ; You Get What You Pay For !  |
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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I wish you luck.
I am a little confused though... the seller has 100% positive feedback (that's good!) and a substantial number too. Why would an experienced seller post such bad photo's?
Your gamble doesn't seem unreasonable given that it is a coin you want and the price seems like you have more to gain than lose. In my view the odds are in your favour.
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Valued Member
Canada
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I've posted some bad ebay photos before because I was too lazy to take another shot. but they've never been that bad. It's obvious that the seller used a scanner, it's only 15 seconds to crop it.... good luck to OP, seems like a fair gamble to me |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It would be so easy for the seller to take some quick cell phone pics, and people would bid much higher.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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My guess is perhaps the seller was betting on someone buying the slab, not the coin, so took an image good enough to read the grade on the slab but not good enough to grade the coin, since it is overgraded.
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12/11/2015 09:44 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
11951 Posts |
I posted that I felt this is a coin that would grade in the Fine range. Without having the coin in hand, stating a F 12 or F 15 would be hard. When I look at a Indian Head cent, I look at "LIBERTY", for me to grade It VF, I want to be able to make out every letter. From what I see on this coin "LIB" are just not very clear, to me just not clear enough to make VF. Also on most VF coins I see (graded) there is some detail on the feather tips. Old school grading, to me, is a VF coin has even wear on the coin, but all the details can be seen. Of course some lack of details can be weak, due to (light) striking. For example the four diamonds are not always there, even on MS coins. I have no problem taking chances on auctions, with poor pictures. But it will not always be a winner. The price is not to far off and it does fill a empty hole. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote:
Copper castle
You know what you are 100% right :) I've been telling my wife this for years!  Edited by CopperCastle
12/11/2015 12:17 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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 That's funny :) Well with mine its more like she's right and even If she wrong she's right !! Lol she tells me if I'm good I get to play with my coins :) |
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