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Question About VAMming

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 Posted 12/28/2015  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mcanniz to your friends list
ok, so I just started to look at my morgans, so I pulled out my 78 s first. I went on vamworld and it looks like it is VAM 1. it has the doubled 7 and broken 4th right star. then I realized on the page that it says likely does not exist... what does that mean? is that due to the reverse die not existing, because my obverse matched the description. also my liberty looks doubled. I have to go to work now so when I get home ill read your replies and look again. thanks in advance.
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 Posted 12/28/2015  11:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mcanniz to your friends list
also I was able to get the comprehensive catalog and enciclopedia of morgan and Peace dollars for only $35 on ebay
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 Posted 12/28/2015  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Justinwd to your friends list
Can someone help me out on vamming, I looked up the definition and understand it a lil, but I don't understand how coins with cracks and etc. Would command a higher price.
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 Posted 12/28/2015  4:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mcanniz to your friends list
Some dies only made a select amount of coins before being retired, so the coins it struck are rare. If you have any further questions it would be better off to start your own thread so your question will get the proper attention
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 Posted 12/28/2015  7:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list

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ok, so I just started to look at my morgans, so I pulled out my 78 s first. I went on VAMworld and it looks like it is VAM 1. it has the doubled 7 and broken 4th right star. then I realized on the page that it says likely does not exist... what does that mean?


Your coin exhibits two very common details for '78-S. You need to click on the attribution guide and figure out what the "r" in trust looks like. Start here http://www.vamworld.com/1878-S+...43;Varieties and if you like, post some photos and we'll help out.
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12/28/2015 7:25 pm
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 Posted 12/28/2015  8:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chute72 to your friends list

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do you VAM every morgan and Peace dollar you buy?


Years ago I bought a silver dollar every paycheck. Later when I got interested in VAMs I tried to identify every one. I still can't. Some were just too worn to see a faint doubling or such. Some I lacked the skill to identify. And some I lacked the confidence to treat as a new discovery and pursue it. A few of those have since been "discovered" by others even though I've been sitting on one for a long time. I feel VAMming is much like doing crossword puzzles. It takes time, skill and perseverance. The rewards must come from within, though there is a lot of support from other VAMmers.


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how coins with cracks and etc. Would command a higher price.


They almost always don't. Some VAMs can command a huge price, but most don't. It is much like art or fashion. It is fantastic because "he" said it's fantastic. His opinion is valued because "we" say his opinion is valued.
If you are a mature and knowledgable person, you'll see through all this and find what makes you happy. You have already done this when you look at car or gun magazines. Yes, the new XYZ is the rage, but in a little while, something else will replace it. In the mean time, a few classics will always be popular.
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 Posted 12/28/2015  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mcanniz to your friends list
ok so the 4th star is broken, and the r is unbroken. I'm still a little confused about the VAM 1 thing... is VAM 1 always just the normal die, but sometimes it doesn't exist because all dies have abnormalities?
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 Posted 12/28/2015  9:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mcanniz to your friends list
ok so my coin has a doubled liberty, so I know what section to look under. if you were in this situation what would you do to narrow down the possibilities? should I just go through each VAM in that section 1 by 1?
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 Posted 12/28/2015  10:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mcanniz to your friends list
heres pics. let me know if I need more.

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 Posted 12/29/2015  08:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list
OK, broken 4th star, "r" in trust unbroken and doubled liberty narrows the choices down to 29 listings. It's time to match up the reverse die by the engraved wing feathers below the Eagle's right wing (viewer's left) using this guide. http://www.vamworld.com/4th+Ri...043;Location
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 Posted 12/29/2015  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mcanniz to your friends list
looks like I found it! VAM 30 seems to be a match with a B2r reverse, doubled nostril and eyelid, quadrupled liberty, and the MM seems to be correct just by eyeing it. let me know if you see anything that would tell you its not VAM 30, and ill look again. thank you so much for your help and your book recommendation (should arrive in about a week )
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 Posted 12/29/2015  11:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mcanniz to your friends list
oops the book was recommended by cascade. thank you all for you're help!
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 Posted 12/29/2015  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list
I had it as the B2R reverse as well so VAM-30 it is based on your further observations. Congrats on attributing your 1878-S.
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 Posted 12/30/2015  11:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add messydesk to your friends list
I'll respond to a lot of questions at once here.

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do you VAM every morgan and Peace dollar you buy?

Almost. Obviously, there are coins I buy because of the VAM, but there are others I don't, like an 81-S in 67 I bought because I liked the coin. I took a quick look to see if it was worth my time trying to figure it out, and concluded I had better things to do at the time, like attributing someone else's coins.

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looks like I found it! VAM 30 seems to be a match with a B2r reverse, doubled nostril and eyelid, quadrupled liberty, and the MM seems to be correct just by eyeing it.

Yes, it is VAM 30. If you enjoyed figuring this out, you've discovered much of the allure of VAM collecting. 78-S is a great place to start, because it is well-researched.

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... is VAM 1 always just the normal die, but sometimes it doesn't exist because all dies have abnormalities?

Yes, except for 1878-P.

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Can someone help me out on vamming, I looked up the definition and understand it a lil, but I don't understand how coins with cracks and etc. Would command a higher price.

There are over 5000 VAMs listed, and a good 4000 of them are worth no premium. Die cracks don't necessarily define a VAM, but they do allow us to confirm a die pair that was used and assigned to a specific VAM number based on other characteristics, like doubling, date position, mint mark, etc. If you look at other series where collecting by die marriage is popular (Bust halves, large cents), there is probably a similar ratio of no-premium to premium coins. With a catalog an order of magnitude smaller, it's easier to wrap one's head around and attempt to collect the whole thing. Some of these die marriages, especially with later date large cents, are most easily identified by die cracks.

If anyone is going to be at the Dallas ANA show in March, there will be an educational presentation "Demystifying VAM Collecting." It'll be a panel discussion and Q&A with me and a couple other long-time VAM guys. Should be fun.
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 Posted 12/30/2015  11:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add morganhead to your friends list
1878 S coins are very cool. And well studied by a few. VAM 1 is used when you cant find the right match. VAM 2 as well. But most have been verified through actual examples being found. Thinking like 90% of the 150 varieties. I didn't VAM your coin , but you are correct that that reverse was used for 3 pairings. V 24,30 and 43. Its all about the engraved wing feather or the Unengraved ( normal) wing feather. Happy VAM New Year !
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