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What Is Perfection?

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 Posted 10/26/2005  10:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add national dealer to your friends list
quote:
Originally posted by Morgan Fred
P.S. Of the roughly 1.2 million Morgans graded by PCGS, only eight have made it to MS-69. None were 1903; the closest were a few MS-67s.



NGC has 3 Morgan dollars graded in MS-69. Talk about true rarity!
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 Posted 10/26/2005  10:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list
Becky

Very Nice 55-S BIE !!!!

Did you check out my offering of a BIE in the error coins forum?

1956-D BIE no VDB !!!



Rick
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 Posted 10/26/2005  10:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add national dealer to your friends list
Looking at the coin in question, I could pick this coin apart. Between the hits, and the weakness, you would be hard pressed to see anything over a MS-63 from PCGS or NGC. Whomever buys this coin is GOING to lose money.
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 Posted 10/26/2005  11:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list
If anyone truly wants a "perfect" coin, all they have to do is send it to SGS and it'll come back as a perfect MS-69 or MS-70 grade. SGS would take a coin run over by a railroad train and slab it at least as MS-69.
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 Posted 10/26/2005  7:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldDan to your friends list
Here is a solution for the problem:
You buy up a bunch of AU coins and have them slabbed (by any of the top three third party graders) and allow them to lay in storage for 10 to 15 years. Now go and get them out and bust them out, and have them regraded. Presto!
You now have a AU that has been graded MS.
It can't get much better than that. longnine is happy with his coin that looks used. ND likes it because it will sell for a profit, and all the high rollers will snap them up to place in their collections.
Problem solved.
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 Posted 10/28/2005  3:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add longnine009 to your friends list
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Originally posted by Becky

Here you go longnine009, a "perfect" Lincoln

What-Is-Perfection?



Indeed it is. John Wexler supposedly is going to publish a book about BIEs. I don't know when since it's been about 3 years since I heard that. If it does comes out I think interest in BIEs might pick up again. BTW, Joe Bush the former president and I believe the founder of the BIE Guild was from my home town.
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 Posted 10/28/2005  3:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add catman to your friends list
Sorry Longnine009,

Here is what I call a "perfect Lincoln" no error but the most pristine Lincoln I have ever seen.

catman

http://www.angelfire.com/super2/cat...lbum?i=6&s=1
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 Posted 10/28/2005  6:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add longnine009 to your friends list
Is it a Matte?
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 Posted 10/28/2005  9:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ojo to your friends list
Every one has there different view on a perfect coin. My perfect coin would have to be a simple coin. I can't be rare or an error or uncerculated. It has to have some wear to show its done its job, like ive heard bfore, most features are visible though. It also has to have some histroy, so it has to be 1945 and before, and it has to be a common coin like a penny so that I know its been past through hands all through time. A simple coin that has spent hundreds of years doing its job and being past through hand to hand and is ready to its long journey it the hands of a collector,only to past on every few decades to another collector.
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 Posted 10/28/2005  9:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ojo to your friends list
* to end its long journey.
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 Posted 10/28/2005  9:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add catman to your friends list
No Matte, Bill. Just a super nice piece that someone has kept nice since since 1909. I have a few real nice ones but something like this is next to impossible to find.

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 Posted 10/28/2005  10:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list
Catman, I agree that the 1909 Lincoln is about as perfect as a coin can get, at least in terms of condition. It must have been taken directly off the press and stored in a vacuum ever since. Any idea under what conditions and containers it was stored to prevent browning?

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 Posted 10/29/2005  02:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add catman to your friends list
Sorry, I can't help you there. I sure wish I knew.

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 Posted 10/29/2005  09:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add longnine009 to your friends list
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Originally posted by catman

No Matte, Bill. Just a super nice piece that someone has kept nice since since 1909. I have a few real nice ones but something like this is next to impossible to find.
catman



Well it's a beauty for sure. And it's still in good hands.
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 Posted 10/30/2005  1:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stephen420 to your friends list
I don't believe that created things can be Perfect in the sense of entirely flawless under infinite magnification. I do, however, believe that a thing is perfect when that thing does or is what it is expected to do or be. I know for a fact that I'll never own a Perfect coin, in the first sense, but I already own coins that have brought me endless hours of pleasure just looking at them. To me, a certain coin would be perfect exactly because it has a kind of specific beauty that no other coin in the history of the world has. And incidentally, as many here have said, things considered by some to be imperfections (such as die cracks) are highly valued by others. I have a 1989-S proof Roosevelt dime that somehow slipped into circulation and wound up in my pocket. Even though it's luster is dull and its mirrors hidden and it has virutally no value higher than the 10c that it purports to represent, this coin has a kind of subjective perfection: I love this coin and look at it often, and I use it as a kind of practice model for learning how safely to handle perhaps more objectively valuable coins. Anyway, that's my ten cents.
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