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Please Help Me Identify This Silver Roman Coin - A Lot Of Details

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 Posted 02/25/2016  10:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lrbguy to your friends list
planetparty, with due respect to the scruples of FR, and his personal hard experience, I too would be reluctant to let the matter rest if all I had was opinions based on pictures from people who did not actually see the coin to evaluate it. So far the strongest opinion has been voiced by someone whose confidence in Roman silver has been shaken so badly as to drive him away from collecting it. Your decision to consult with the Vienna Bibliothek is a good one. I believe the British Museum has also had a program like that, and I know that David Sear used to do expertising as well. Not sure about today. But if there are coin dealers near you they should at least be able to comment on the metal and fabric of the coin.

Edit: Ron posted as I was writing, and also expressed some strong points. However, if I were the seller who believed in the coin I would have some reservations about a return that was based on hearsay evidence given to a person lacking the experience to weigh it properly. I might give a refund, but unless I agreed I would not sell to him thereafter.
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02/25/2016 10:15 am
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 Posted 02/25/2016  10:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list
I agree absolutely !

But as indicated the seller is none of the above

So I will describe myself as simply "Shaken"
not stirred

But I am not the one who actually provided the verdict here.
One (in this case 3) picture is worth a thousand words.
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 Posted 02/25/2016  10:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antwerpen2306 to your friends list
I agree with Echizento and Irbguy .Personnaly , I have some doubts about the Wildwinds coin reading the description of the coin .The finder knows the reverse is a Caracalla reverse , but says nothing about the portrait.That s why I asked if we can trust Wildwinds . On the other hand , we have the same problem with all these fake reports .A strange fact is also that this coin appears two times on a few months and was unknown before .On the other hand again , if I faked a coin , I would do it with an existing coin .Planetparty knows where he bought the coin , so he is the first to know if the seller is trusrworthy. albert
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 Posted 02/25/2016  12:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add planetparty to your friends list
I have read all the responses and I thank you guys to providing such detailed replays. The item is from ebay (i know what you think now), but from a private seller, female and is selling also some other paper notes from ex YU and Germany. The sellers account looks like from a casual seller and is located in Germany.

I have 14 days for return and hope I get in the mean time some response from the Wienna museum.

I will also contact the seller and ask her from where she got that coin, when and if may got any papers for it.

What can I do more?
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02/25/2016 12:31 pm
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 Posted 02/25/2016  1:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add planetparty to your friends list
I got already a replay from the seller, sames she is from Germany with even worse english as me...

Q:

1. From where you got that coin?
2. When you got it?
3. Do you have any proof from authentically?

A:

"All coins and banknotes I from estate of my uncle did it was great sammler..Mit Yours faithfully Anna."

To be honest, that is some crappy replay, I check now the writing on the parcel if is from a female or not. It is also possible, that is a hacked ebay account...but with 500+ 100% positive rating?

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 Posted 02/25/2016  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
I would be interested in seeing what other coins the seller has, this can help determine is there is a fake seller on ebay. Can you share the ebay link?
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 Posted 02/26/2016  02:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add planetparty to your friends list
This is the seller's profile: http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/anna.anic..._stpos&gbr=1

It has no more coins (only 2 left), sames to me an amateur seller as I already explained. But still it cloud be a hacked ebay account as well, you never know.

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02/26/2016 02:26 am
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 Posted 02/26/2016  12:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lrbguy to your friends list
I would buy the coin and study it to death for a long time to come. The learning you will do is cheap at the price they are charging for this one, and it will help you in the long run to be able to figure things like this out.

Buy it. Keep it. Enjoy it, and don't fret about the caveats here.

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02/26/2016 12:56 pm
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 Posted 02/27/2016  12:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add planetparty to your friends list
lrbguy: What are you talking about? Did you read the thread?

Any other opinion where great guys. What to do next?
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 Posted 02/27/2016  1:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
Planetparty, I see nothing wrong with Irbguy's comment. Lots of collectors hold onto their fakes and use them as a reference on how to spots other fakes. Everyone here has given you sound advice. Don't be so quick to snap at the helping hand.
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 Posted 02/27/2016  1:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lrbguy to your friends list

Quote:
lrbguy: What are you talking about? Did you read the thread?



I replied three times earlier and you still ask if I read the thread?

You have bought the coin, you have asked about it, and you have been given numerous opinions. The rest is up to you.

Troubleshooting the reliability of a seller is another subject entirely.
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 Posted 02/27/2016  2:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list
All three coins are fake.
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 Posted 02/29/2016  05:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list
The fake coin from the fake reports is a cast fake and is clearly identified from exact duplicates not just die duplicates.

What would people say here if I were to suggest that it is a cast of a real coin rather than a creation from modern dies? Could this then be that the other two coins are a reverse die match rather then condemning all three?

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 Posted 02/29/2016  05:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list
It is possible

But I am very skeptical of these denarii that make the sons of Severus look like the brothers Karamazov.
The issue of fake ancients is becoming pandemic. Facebook is rife with 'forums' where people are selling fake ancients.

Why pay more ?
Get the whole twelve Caesars for 75% off !
Straight from the fields
Act now supplies are limited

The source in this case is someone who Is selling literally hundreds of worthless Balkan inflation notes.
Coincidentally the same geographic area known to be cranking out ever improved fake silver.

I am satisfied that it smells bad



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 Posted 02/29/2016  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jskirwin to your friends list
Planetparty
Speaking as a relatively newbie myself, do yourself a favor and avoid ebay. Stick to dealers on Vcoins or established ancient sellers (usually on Vcoins).
I have a fake I keep as a talisman near my computer. It reminds me how easy it is to get ripped off online. The easiest way to avoid trouble is simply to stick to dealers who guarantee what they sell.
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