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FVRIVS RVFVS:
I accept your opinion, however you have not provided any arguments, that justify your theory.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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There are (at a glance) dozens of identical details between all three coins.
The strangely thick and bushy beard set off alarms in my mind when I first saw the pics.
Admittedly I don't collect silver so my detailed knowledge of Severan denarii and 'ants' is limited. I do make every effort to locate Severan bronze. Both Geta and Caracalla had what might best be described as a "grunge" type beard. Youthful soft beards that betray their years.
These coins (all three) are bogus !
Twenty five years ago I cashed in my silver coins ( I held onto but a few ) because I was alarmed by how easily fooled I was by the beauty of silver and gold when a decent forgery was shown to me.
I buy nearly exclusively Roman Imperial AE's and
I have since then been fooled more than once in bronze too !
But ..........
In this case I am 99% certain
One forgery was planted into the Wildwinds catalogue and is being used to legitimize the rest.
Of this I am quite sure
"Something is rotten in the Kingdom of Denmark"
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BTW
Hats off to arnoldoe !
I was beginning to doubt my own conclusions when you so timely provided the pics which confirm our suspicions.
Good sleuthing !
Edited by FVRIVS RVFVS
02/25/2016 07:01 am
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Slovenia
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That are some good arguments FVRIVS RVFVS, but I am still 50:50 if is fake or not. Is there out any service, that can tell this is 100% fake or real? May the Wienna museum replies soon and they can say more about possibilities, that this coin can be real.
I value your opinions guys, since I know you got some nice experience on this field.
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I made a purchase for that coin and as soon arrives clean it first. I like this, since there is a nice story behind it and I do some researches. I just purchased that coin blind w/o even knowing from what emperor is. I just liked the portrait details so much on it. I would like to know the market value as well, hope that I don't overpaid it... So you don't know very much about ancient coins I guess Based on one members opinions you have declared "It is now official, that the coin is not a fake" That was the whole purpose of this wasn't it ? Far be it for me to question someone's bona fides But my suspicious nature is beginning to come to the fore. I believe I have said enough |
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I haven't paid as much attention to this thread as I should have. Let me see if I can make my point without sounding like I am accusing anyone of something. You haven't said where this coin has come from, so I'm assuming that it is from somewhere in Europe, perhaps Eastern Europe. You also haven't said if it was purchased for a legitimate ancient coin dealer, on ebay, or from a local coin shop. This would help us with the questions that have been raised as to whether it's real or not. The coin is odd in the sense that it has the legend of Geta and the bust of Caracalla. Especially knowing the history between the two and Caracalla's hatred for his brother. So if the coin was real IMO it would be worth some money. So now to my point. In Eastern Europe there has been for a number of years a forgery network on making ancient coins. These forgers have gotten so good that it has become very difficult to tell the real coins from there fakes. Sometimes these forgers show up here and on other ancient coin forums to pick our brains. They figure if the coin can fool us than it would be real easy to fool someone with lesser knowledge. I'm not saying that this is what you are attempting to do, what I am saying is that we are aware of this practice. Given the information the FR and others have said about this coin I would return it to the seller and ask for your money back. |
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planetparty, with due respect to the scruples of FR, and his personal hard experience, I too would be reluctant to let the matter rest if all I had was opinions based on pictures from people who did not actually see the coin to evaluate it. So far the strongest opinion has been voiced by someone whose confidence in Roman silver has been shaken so badly as to drive him away from collecting it. Your decision to consult with the Vienna Bibliothek is a good one. I believe the British Museum has also had a program like that, and I know that David Sear used to do expertising as well. Not sure about today. But if there are coin dealers near you they should at least be able to comment on the metal and fabric of the coin.
Edit: Ron posted as I was writing, and also expressed some strong points. However, if I were the seller who believed in the coin I would have some reservations about a return that was based on hearsay evidence given to a person lacking the experience to weigh it properly. I might give a refund, but unless I agreed I would not sell to him thereafter.
Edited by lrbguy
02/25/2016 10:15 am
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I agree absolutely !
But as indicated the seller is none of the above
So I will describe myself as simply "Shaken"
not stirred
But I am not the one who actually provided the verdict here.
One (in this case 3) picture is worth a thousand words.
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Belgium
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I agree with Echizento and Irbguy .Personnaly , I have some doubts about the Wildwinds coin reading the description of the coin .The finder knows the reverse is a Caracalla reverse , but says nothing about the portrait.That s why I asked if we can trust Wildwinds . On the other hand , we have the same problem with all these fake reports .A strange fact is also that this coin appears two times on a few months and was unknown before .On the other hand again , if I faked a coin , I would do it with an existing coin .Planetparty knows where he bought the coin , so he is the first to know if the seller is trusrworthy. albert
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New Member
Slovenia
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I have read all the responses and I thank you guys to providing such detailed replays. The item is from ebay (i know what you think now), but from a private seller, female and is selling also some other paper notes from ex YU and Germany. The sellers account looks like from a casual seller and is located in Germany. I have 14 days for return and hope I get in the mean time some response from the Wienna museum. I will also contact the seller and ask her from where she got that coin, when and if may got any papers for it. What can I do more? Edited by planetparty
02/25/2016 12:31 pm
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New Member
Slovenia
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I got already a replay from the seller, sames she is from Germany with even worse english as me... Q: 1. From where you got that coin? 2. When you got it? 3. Do you have any proof from authentically? A: "All coins and banknotes I from estate of my uncle did it was great sammler..Mit Yours faithfully Anna." To be honest, that is some crappy replay, I check now the writing on the parcel if is from a female or not. It is also possible, that is a hacked ebay account...but with 500+ 100% positive rating? |
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United States
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I would be interested in seeing what other coins the seller has, this can help determine is there is a fake seller on ebay. Can you share the ebay link? |
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Slovenia
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Edited by planetparty
02/26/2016 02:26 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I would buy the coin and study it to death for a long time to come. The learning you will do is cheap at the price they are charging for this one, and it will help you in the long run to be able to figure things like this out.
Buy it. Keep it. Enjoy it, and don't fret about the caveats here.
Edited by lrbguy
02/26/2016 12:56 pm
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New Member
Slovenia
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lrbguy: What are you talking about? Did you read the thread?
Any other opinion where great guys. What to do next?
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