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Valued Member
United States
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I'm a gold & silver buyer, and have couple of platnum coins. I did not buy them for investment purposes perse, but I also did not buy them to lose money. I especially like $20 saints, 5 & 10 dollar indians--I also buy buy modern golds coins.
My question to you tnwalker10, what do you consider "long term"? 1 year? 5 years? 10 perhaps? To me long term is 20-30-40 or even 50 years--
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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You are my kind of person In Europe long term is at least 5 to 10 years I worked 23 years for an American multinational They were only intrested in the actual year 
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Rest in Peace
United States
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ageka
In the investment field you can always pull out the exception. How much thought have you given to those people who paid $50.00 per ounce for silve and $800.00 per ounce for gold.?
catman
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Basically guys it is ALL when you buy and when you sell. Pretty simple yet very complex. I have bought gold, most of the time in 1/10 oz. bullion as they are easier to store and transport and if I need a few bucks I can sell what ever amount I need on any given day. The last 5 years have been very kind when you consider I was paying in the $32 to $35 range for those little 1/10 oz. coins and when they reached the $48 to $50 level I decided to sell off a few now and then to put the money into other coins I was interested in. While $16 to $18 bucks profit per coin may not seem like a lot of money it is far better than what the banks would have paid me for saving the same amount of money and like it or not, NO paper trail. I didn't buy it and I didn't sell it because I never owned it or did I? The whole trick is to, if you can, buy low and sell whenever at a profit. It all sounds so simple. It does amaze me that so many folks do just the opposite as they wait for the media to start talking about high gold prices so they run out and buy some while it is HIGH? Lets face it, right now is NOT a good time to be buying gold. Give it a little time for it to cycle back down a bit and then buy. All it will take is one major player to dump a bunch of gold back on the market and the price will come back down. Hey, the major banks have been doing this for years with our money so in the end they have virtually manipulated the market (lawsuits are pending) to their benefit. Gold, to me, is not an investment, but a commodity and a hard asset I can own, control and I have no one to blame for profit or loss other than myself. Just be smart and don't get in over your head. You can call it investing but I prefer the word GAMBLING and believe me when I say everything we do every day is a gamble. Have some fun and spread those extra bucks out on other options, silver, gold, platinum, palladium and most importantly, high grade (when you can) classic coins. Enjoy the hobby and the possibilities that it offers. If I can't be rich I can at least be happy with what I am doing!
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United States
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Gold provides good protection against inflation and some economic instability and is a legitimate investment for a small amount of one's assets. There are numerous scarce and rare modern gold coins which can be had for a small premium over melt so they represent an investment in things going well also. Look at countries which might improve or have a rapidly growing middle class for the best positioning.
Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
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Valued Member
 United States
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Thanks, everyone. Lots of interesting thoughts. I found some good information in the articles section. An article titled "Identifying US coins With Bullish Futures" By Daniel J. Goevert. Is Mr. Goevert a member on this forum? If so, thank you for the article!
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Rest in Peace
United States
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I'm sure National Dealer will pop in on this thread sooner or later. He has some very good and solid opinions based on very expansive knowledge of the coin market with regard to coins as investments.
I'm personally of the opinion that gold, per se is not a good long term investment; over the past 25 years, I've seen it go up very quickly and down very quickly. Very rare gold coins, or any very rare coins, however are a different matter if we maintain the discussion level at five figures or above. Very rare coins seem to keep going up in value, presuming there's only, say 25 or less in the population. I suppose the same may be said for any rare collectible field such as art or stamps in which very limited numbers or one-of-a-kind items do not seem to have a value ceiling.
When I buy an expensive (for me) coin, I keep value appreciation in the decision-making formula, but I also keep in mind the market for my coins is fickle and most certainly can go down rather than up.
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Australia
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I am probably a novice against ageka when it comes down to this.
The question is, what exactly do you want to buy? If you are looking in terms of investing, there cannot be anything more fundenmental than SUPPLY and DEMAND. It is not fair to say that because you spent let's say 1000 dollars for simplicity, on either some old "scarce" coin and some modern "proof" coins, they overall will result to the same. That is a complete failure to understand the fundemental aspects of economics and hence, blinding wasting your money. It could be possible that you might lose money in both, gain in either one, or gain roughly about the same as the two options there. But really, even before you learn to invest in such coins, chances are that such investors don't even know how to handle their coins and thus might ruin their possible "revenue". Often, you get people who think they have got something "antique" and valuable from their grandparents, only to be ruined by their actions of "CLEANING" coins, thinking that like coins should be handled like jewellery. That is a BIG irreversible mistake and it has happened plenty of times.
But really, if you invest in gold, do you really know what the real supply and demand of gold? Gold itself is one "lame" investment options when politics comes down to war - and that is when gold prices go ridiciously expensive and in a sense when you should sell them. When you should buy them, of course any other times other than now. Historically speaking, if you correlate major world events with gold prices, it DOES explain everything. I don't wish to elaborate every single historical pricing aspect of gold pricing...
Really, even before thinking of investing coins as investments, I beg your pardon there and think twice. This is not some paper transaction works where you can just leave things and hope you will reap profits. You will need some "maintence", just like vintage cards I guess.
My partial coin collection http://www.omnicoin.com/collection/gxseriesMy numismatics articles and collection: http://www.gxseries.com/numis/numis_index.htmRegularly updated at least once a month.
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Belgium
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Hmm I have been on more then 12 forums posting I reduced to three On several forums I told the story that my grandfather saved himself and his wife and my mother with gold Double Eagles The gold DE were sewn in the hem of the skirt of my grandmother and my mother With gold my grandfather hired a car and driver in the worldwar and spent 4 years in the South of France He gave the few remaining double eagles to me when I was 12 year old Sometimes gold can save your life 
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Each and every one of us has to make our own decisions and live with them. Some times we may be right, and those are enjoyable, and others well we don't do so well. Many of us have years experience behind us and we would like to think we may be one up on the rest of the world but.....again, life is a gamble. The most important thing about investing, in my humble opinion is, are you comfortable putting your hard earned money there? If you are then go for it and enjoy the opportunity to hopefully make a few bucks and have a little fun with your extra money. When it quits being fun, its time to get out. Now with that said, I caved in and bought 12 USMC proof and unc. commemorative silver dollars and yes, I had to pay a premium to get them but I still have very fond memories of the last silver commemorative that sold out and what it did. The 2001 Buffalo Dollar was a hit and I sold my extras way to soon! Darn the luck so this time I will wait and see with what I have. Any chance I get to put a few extra bucks in my COIN budget is fine by me and if I lose a little now and then well I can blame no one but myself. I am having FUN!!!
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Investments to me are a three headed beast very generally. Stocks, Real Estate, and Commodities. Stocks currently are over-inflated and over-manipulated, plus people are extremely gun-shy after 9/11 and Enron et al. Real Estate is presently over-priced due to greenback flight from the stock market and self-styled Real Estate moguls, save your positioning for bargains in the next 18 monthes. Gold, not petroleum, is the ultimate hedge in the commodity market and, IMHO, grossly under-priced. Even if I am wrong, it is highly unlikely that you would lose money investing in Gold. In a worst case social collapse scenario you have excellent bullet making material, and a base medium of exchange.
Collector prices depend upon the opinion of collectors as to rarity, desirability, marketability, and condition. New coinage or bullion may be the way to go if you desire inflation and crisis protection. Consider denominations smaller than one ounce for practicality in some scenarios. Stay away from gold manufacturing and mining stocks. It is an incredibly dirty process to produce gold as cheaply as possible and environmentalists are rearing their heads in that direction. As an aside, the same goes for aluminum, and, as far as I know, silver.
This is not my area of expertise, but my semi-learned opinion. Properly proportion your investment portfolio.
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Valued Member
United States
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Hello tnwalker10.
Yes, I am a member of Coin Community. Every now and then, I check in to see what's going on here. This is a great place to learn numismatics, which is one of the reasons I keep coming back.
Thanks for your commentary on the article I wrote (Identifying Coins With Bullish Future). In short, I don't think its a good idea to relate to coins strictly as investment vehicles, but if you research historical value trends, it is possible to pinpoint a few coins that are more likely to be worth much more in the years ahead. I believe that coins that have demonstrated solid gains over a long period of time in the past (caused mostly by consistent collector demand) are the coins that will do well in the future.
Hope to bump into you again!
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Well put D.J.G. I, myself, put hours and hours into coins and I have done so for nearly 30 years. Even then it is very easy to guess wrong about individual coins or new releases and thats why I have DIVERSIFIED my collecting efforts. I collect sets, gold, silver, platinum now and then, the old classics, key dates when I stumble upon a good buy and now the euro and foreign silver and classics. Basically, at heart, I am a coin collector and thats all, but every now and then you just feel "a good thing" and I go with it. For the most part I don't worry about profit or loss. That will come later when I decide to sell but I do on ocassion buy items with selling strictly in mind. Again I have to WAIT for that time to arrive. Could be 3 months or could be years. I live with it as that was my choice and as I have said before, at least I can look at where my hard earned money went. Its not gone, just in another collectable form and I am enjoying what I do very very much. Thats priceless!!!
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