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News: Man Accidentally Shot At Parsippany Coin Show

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 Posted 05/16/2016  9:52 pm  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list
I hear ya ! I would liked to have known more about what the dealer was doing.
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 Posted 05/16/2016  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list
To carry an Unloaded pistol is pretty much a waste of time.
To carry one with a round in the chamber is irresponsible and dangerous.
It takes just as much time to locate and use the safety as it does to cock the weapon, So carrying a pistol in the loaded state with nothing in the breach would be the safest and most useful option.
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 Posted 05/16/2016  10:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chute72 to your friends list

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It takes just as much time to locate and use the safety as it does to cock the weapon,

Very untrue. Plus it usually requires both hands.
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 Posted 05/17/2016  03:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list

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Very untrue. Plus it usually requires both hands.


Most people do have 2 hands and we are talking about a pistol here not an M60
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 Posted 05/17/2016  07:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chute72 to your friends list
One hand may be busy or damaged. You might be trying to keep someones head above water or compressing the bleeding. One hand may have been hit by another bullet, or broken in a fall. There are many ugly situations that do not come with a warning and time is an important factor. If it were a good idea to keep an empty chamber, Law Enforcement would do it. Almost any handgun made in the last 100 years is perfectly safe to carry with a round in the chamber.
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 Posted 05/17/2016  6:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
My grandfather always said "There are no accidents, only negligence." You mileage may vary.
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 Posted 05/17/2016  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
Someone swithched off the metal detector at the entrance to the show.
Some schools now have metal detector entry.

Wouldn't it be better if we never had guns? A lot less people never have been shot (wars included).

British police do not carry guns, and there is a lot fewer people that are the victim of gunshot in London, than in Chigago.
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 Posted 05/17/2016  6:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Steele to your friends list

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British police do not carry guns

Police carrying guns on routine call outs, including tens of thousands of minor incidents of burglaries and even car crashes
Armed police dispatched to domestic incidents and other routine jobs
Thames Valley deployed officers with handguns to 8,709 call-outs last year
Half of forces refuse to reveal full extent of use of armed police officers

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...crashes.html


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A lot less people never have been shot (wars included).

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there is a lot fewer people that are the victim of gunshot in London, than in Chigago

Does it matter if you are killed with a sword, spear, knife, club, fists or a gun? you are still dead

Murders and killings in England and Wales have increased to their highest level for five years, figures show.

The 14% increase in the year to September 2015 was largely due to a high number of deaths in June when 75 people were killed in one month, the Office for National Statistics found.
Knife crime was up 9% with 27,487 offences, while gun crime was up 4% to 4,994 offences. The latter increase was mostly driven by a rise in gun offences in London, the ONS said.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35372940
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 Posted 05/17/2016  6:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add davec13 to your friends list

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Wouldn't it be better if we never had guns? A lot less people never have been shot (wars included).


People were killing people long before guns were invented. The media makes out a shooting to be the end of the world scenario and tries to "scare" the easily led masses to believe all the evil in the world revolves around guns. The truth is crazy is crazy. If someone has their mind made up to kill someone they will use whatever they need to car, knife, gun, rock, poison, ect.
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 Posted 05/17/2016  7:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list

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One hand may be busy or damaged. You might be trying to keep someones head above water or compressing the bleeding. One hand may have been hit by another bullet, or broken in a fall. There are many ugly situations


That is what you would probably consider if you were in an active War zone, Not going off to a Coin show
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 Posted 05/17/2016  7:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mamastinky to your friends list

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That is what you would probably consider if you were in an active War zone...

Does New Jersey count?
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 Posted 05/17/2016  7:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Steele to your friends list

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That is what you would probably consider if you were in an active War zone,
It is what you have to consider all the time. If the situation is bad enough that you have to draw your gun you can't tell what you might need to do to save your life. What if you need to deflect the mugger/rapist/murderer weapon away while you simultaneously draw and fire and you have only mili-seconds or you are shot or seriously wounded?
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 Posted 05/17/2016  10:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jack jeckel to your friends list
Is this another ANA 2014 show dealers hiring gangbangers to buy Gold Kennedy halves at the mint booth scandal?

Yes I own a gun or 10.

But your best bet is to stay out of high risk situations and stay off of the Northside.

If your job puts you at a constant high risk maybe you need to hire an armed bodyguard. We have at least 2 armed security at the doors at our clubs annual show and we only have 60 dealers. And they will happily walk anyone (dealer or collector) safely to their car. And the dealers pull up to the front door in front of the security to unload and load before and after the show.

Of course once you leave you are on your own but to shoot yourself on the bourse floor c'mon now Plaxico.

Ever been to an ANA or CSNS show. Stack Bowers and all of the big auction houses have multiple security watching over their cases which are at the same time manned by their employees.

It isn't worth the risk.
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 Posted 05/18/2016  10:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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Does it matter if you are killed with a sword, spear, knife, club, fists or a gun?
I can outrun the sword, knife, club, and fists. A spear, maybe. But I definitely cannot outrun a bullet. So yes, it does matter.


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People were killing people long before guns were invented.
True, but guns are way more efficient. See comment above.



It seems like it may be time to move this to General Discussion, but I will give everyone one last chance to put the focus back on this news item and not guns in general.
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