1859 Cent With A Pefectly Round OBV Die Chip..

I was very tired when I made my post and wasn't thinking clearly .. of course every Vicky had that "dot" between Canada and Regina. I guess it comes with old age .. I'm 70 now. The teeny one directly under the Queen's neck could be from a rust pit in the die and not a chip.

The Charlton pics show the small dot below the bust on this RP 9 with that die paring..(obv 36 on p.291)

The Haxby site does not mention the dot below the bust,..but does show the same fine die crack leading up to the left side of the bust on the die 36. The Haxby obv 36 photos do not include the bottom of the bust so it might still be on the coin in his reference pics..




Now a drill hole in a metal plate is often used to stop die crack progression,..but if you drill a small round indentation in a die "to add a bead on the coins surface",..I don't know how a bead would stop a die crack.

Are there any metallurgists how there with their professional view on this..?

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So..do all obv 36's have the small round bead as showing in my above pics..?..(more pics coming up..)

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I think it is a die chip. I would think that to drill into a hardened coin die, you would first have to anneal it, then drill, then harden it again. That's a lot of work. Also the hole would have to be drilled as deep as the crack to have any effect, I think.

I have an example of this one I will try to get a photograph of tonight and post it for you DEVLEC.

Jim does mention the "bead" in his description of die state 4 on the page for obverse 36.

here's my 361 no dot

...and here is another 361 ..also without the round dot..and therefore at an early state as the d/c's in the "R" of Victoria have just started..and the "R" of Regina possibly has just started..


Interesting examples to see here...

..but what do we make of that nice round dot..?..

A die chip,....or just added at some point..?













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Thanks for these extra examples..and especially the 362's..

Great to see both 361 and 362 examples here..

Fine die crack on the left side below the bust = no dot/die chip..

Heavier die crack into the bust and the dot/die chip is very evident..

Yes, Devlec. There's a lot that can be gleaned from a careful reading of my catalog, though I don't yet have a photo of the "dot" (which I describe as a "bead"). My photo setup is down for an upgrade, but in a few days I can show you other Cuds that formed along the crack to the bust tip. Microscopically the "dot" isn't perfectly round and I believe it to be a Cud (die chip). My catalog tells us that this Cud appeared in Obv. 36 State 4 and that the last two states while it was associated with Rev. 37 (i.e., my catalog number 361) were States 4 & 5. So, yes, it started while Obv. 36 was being used with Rev. E37 and the die continued deteriorating after E37 was replaced by E37a.

By the way, Doug and I were gone on a trip (with limited internet access) and Ed has been busy moving, etc. the last while. Doug and I are retired, but Ed is younger and still working.

I have lots of stuff, including a significant update of the 1859 catalog, happening for this year. Stay tuned.