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Question About An Ebay Listing That Doesn't Add Up

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 Posted 06/29/2016  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list
Might not be so sinister. Sometimes buyers back out, it happens.
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 Posted 06/29/2016  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
Their shill won it. Winning bidder's 30 Day bid history includes 150 total bids on 23 different items. 100% activity with this seller!

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI....one_ViewLink
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 Posted 06/29/2016  5:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Good spadework.
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 Posted 07/01/2016  12:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add srs77 to your friends list
definitely being shill bidded.. The winning bidder (e***n) of the previous auction for the same coin is again bidding on this one. Exact same coin exact same shill bidder....
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 Posted 07/02/2016  5:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basicbob101 to your friends list
should anything be done about this? report to ebay" or just mind my own affairs and let ebay police themselves?
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 Posted 07/02/2016  6:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list
ebay does not police themselves anymore.
It is up to other bidders to report sellers
who list counterfeit coins or shillbidders to them.

Personally I dislike shillbidders more than those who sell counterfeit coins because they know what they are doing whereas fake coin sellers often do not.

I have reported shillbidders in the past with good results
and suggest you do the same with this seller.
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 Posted 07/02/2016  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silverwolf to your friends list
i don't think you can report shill bidding, I think they have software that does that internally.. but I would like to know for sure.
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 Posted 07/02/2016  9:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list
silverwolf-
"For sure" you can report shillbidders.
I have done so on numerous occasions in the past.

Sometimes it takes more than one report or more
than one person, but it can be done.
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 Posted 07/06/2016  08:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basicbob101 to your friends list
notified ebay (after about 30 minutes of trying to find how) ebay's reporting system sucks! wasn't able to enter specifics, just able to check boxes that were somewhat accurate to the complaint, most of the "report" links didn't work or ended up on the "yellow brick road" , seems like they ( ebay) doesn't want to get complaints, you have to persevere to make it through so then they take it more seriously if you expend that much effort (maybe).
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 Posted 07/06/2016  08:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list

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seems like they ( ebay) doesn't want to get complaints


Yup


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then they take it more seriously if you expend that much effort (maybe).


Nope


ebay makes money off listings and sales.

Since you aren't paying the fees, you are the product.

The don't give a rat's fuzzy posterior about you, nor about the sellers.
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 Posted 07/06/2016  08:49 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
I understand your frustration. Trying to personalize a corporation is a difficult task because they are entities void of personalities or feelings. The business world can be cold and harsh but we don't have to take it personally.
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 Posted 07/06/2016  09:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andrew99 to your friends list
If a shill bidder buys it, the seller will still have to pay the final value fee, unless the shill backs out. How many backouts can a shill account have before it is banned? Not sure I get how this shilling is supposed to work for anybody.
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 Posted 07/06/2016  10:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ARcoins to your friends list
Good point andrew99, Are the shill bidders paying the final value fees to ebay ?
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 Posted 07/06/2016  1:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tbone to your friends list

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Good point andrew99, Are the shill bidders paying the final value fees to ebay ?


I've wondered this myself. Seems like it would get expensive to shill bid fairly quickly. Of course they can always say the winner cancelled and close it out but I'd think ebay would catch on if you did this on a regular basis.

By the way, I pretty sure some of the auction houses shill a good amount of the coins on their site. I know of one that does it for sure (as in they told me they did). That auction house generally shills coins up to around 70% of what they feel the coins was worth. One the one hand that doesn't seem like such a big deal, but on the other hand that means you're never likely to catch something that's a great bargain that may have "slipped through the cracks".
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