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Hello friends, Dennis Tucker here. This is my first time posting on this particular forum, and I wanted to chime in on the 1964 Morgan discovery. What we discovered at the Philadelphia Mint were galvanos (or bronzed plaster models), hubs, and master dies for a 1964 Morgan dollar. We DID not find working dies, or actual trial-strike coins. The image on the front of Dave Bowers's new book is of a master die (which has regular "coin" orientation, not mirrored like a working die is), photographed straight-on from above. That's why it has the appearance of being a coin. This isn't a manipulated image, an artist's rendition, a counterfeit, or a fantasy piece. It's a real chunk of Mint hardware that, under normal circumstances, would have been used to create working dies for coinage. This was a very exciting discovery --- Roger W. Burdette has described in his book on Peace dollars how the Morgan design was briefly considered for coinage in the early 1960s, but of course it was the Peace design that was eventually pressed into service. An amazing real-world example of just how vibrant numismatics is --- there are discoveries out there still waiting to be made! -- Dennis |
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If it was a Master DIE then it would be incuse, and it is a trick of the lighting that makes it look raised. Working hubs made from it would be raised and reversed and coins struck from dies created from those working hubs would also be incuse and oriented correctly. I really find it hard to believe the Mint would consider striking incuse Morgan dollars. If it truly is a raised properly oriented Master die then the finished coins would be incuse, and mirror imaged with reversed lettering. I still think it is a picture of a Master Hub. The pictures of the Morgan Galvano in the first article show it raised and properly oriented. There is no way to make a raised properly oriented Master die from that. |
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@dennis, thanks for providing some clarity on the image and hope to see on you CCF more!
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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 welcome to CCF Dennis. |
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Condor, the Master Dies create the working dies. It is the working dies that incuse.
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I have a Morgan just a hair less rare than a 1964 Morgan, if one even exits. Its a 1885 aluminum Morgan dollar, population of four. That's right 4! Qutaro, vier, quatre, 4! Edited by Heynow
09/01/2016 4:41 pm
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You have a Judd-1749!? Yeah, were gonna need pics 3 pics. Obverse, reverse & edge  |
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Cascade, he did post a picture of the coin on a newspaper dated today in another thread. It looks like he is interested in, for lack of a better term, coins made of the "wrong" metal. There are of course people with enough money to buy super rare coins. I'd expect people like that to be fairly knowledgeable about numismatics and some might like to socialize with other avid numismatists even if most of us couldn't afford those sorts of coins. No reason one of them couldn't visit a forum like this!
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You have a Judd-1749!? Yeah, were gonna need pics 3 pics. Obverse, reverse & edge Judd 1750. |
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Cascade, he did post a picture of the coin on a newspaper dated today in another thread. It looks like he is interested in, for lack of a better term, coins made of the "wrong" metal. There are of course people with enough money to buy super rare coins. I'd expect people like that to be fairly knowledgeable about numismatics and some might like to socialize with other avid numismatists even if most of us couldn't afford those sorts of coins. No reason one of them couldn't visit a forum like this! d it Your right. That's my focus. I love the 1943 bronze Lincoln, but can't afford one, so I have similar coins that are just as rare, if not more rare, but not as expensive. I'll post more in the next few days. I love this coin in that its a super rare Morgan, not many like it around. |
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Well that is sweet  What else do you have? |
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Well that is sweet
What else do you have? Transition to clad error set, take a look at my post in modern mint errors. |
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Nice. I and wasn't questioning you having one. It's just impolite to drop a bomb like that without pics |
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Condor, the Master Dies create the working dies. It is the working dies that incuse. The Master dies create the working hubs, the working hubs create the working dies. There are six stages, galvano creates master hub (singular), master hub creates master die (usually singular), master die creates working hubs (multiple), working hubs create working dies (many), and working dies create coins (many many). The galvano is raised and correctly oriented, the master hub is raised and correctly oriented, the master die is incuse and reversed, the working hubs are raised and correctly oriented, and the working dies are incuse and reversed. The image is raised and correctly oriented. If it was a master die the working die would also be raised and correctly oriented. Coins produced would be incuse and reversed. The image pictured is a hub (probably the Master hub) not a die. |
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