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You know Bill...i went back and forth on the 1896 over the years. But I kind of like it now...
it has staying power because it does kind of "jump out at you"....
I think I've said it in a different post, but in the 2011 Charlton Large cent section you did include 3 varieties of 1896 far 6, but simply didn't point out the markers...
i ran an experiment on my 30 or so Far 6s last year, and sure enough...they grouped beautifully into those 3 types that you guys published in the 2011 Charlton...
I think over time, those 3 types will endure, and as we have DP9 No.1-5, I think we will have Far 6 No.1-3
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I think that we only included 2 1896's in the 2011 Charlton. Our purpose and marching orders for the variety section was to show the "types" of varieties that could be out there for each date. Normally, we chose the most impressive (offsets, doublings, etc) examples that we knew about. We never intended (nor did we have room for) all the different anomalies that were available for any date.
Personally, I separate my 1896's by the vertical position of the 6(hi,lo) and the cant (CW or CCW)of the digit. I don't place them by the gap which are kinda far, far, very far, very very far, etc.
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Numidan, would you please PM me? And, hey, while I'm here: don't forget the 1859s! We've got high. We've got low. We've got close. We've got far. It's all there. We've even got right side up over upside down. Match that you wimpy 1896s! (I'm still doing a catalog on the 1896s, though.)
Jim
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Ha ha, doctor. You and I both know that the two of us have been collecting '59's longer than some of the members have been out of diapers. I like the '96's(& 81's) because of the rotations, but the '59's are really close to my heart.
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Valued Member
United States
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That's for sure, Bill. Actually, 1881H is my second favorite date after the 1859s.
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Canada
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Frankly, I think it is pointless when lines are drawn all over the coins... it detracts from whole exercise. Hi SPP, I have not invented anything new, Jack Griffin wrote in his monograph that he used reference lines (a grid system) for his research on large cents. I did the same with the 1929 to figure out the different spacing for the 9. It helped me figure out that there were the high, the mid, low, and lets not forget the 9/9. I presented the pictures this way to limit the replies indicating that the lighting is not the same, or the magnification is different, or pictures are not aligned, or etc... I never mentioned that these reference lines should be the ones used to identify the type of 9's! Quote:
Numidan, would you please PM me? Hi JHax, PM sent. Edited by numidan
10/25/2016 12:24 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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Numidan has been generous enough to send me copies of his 1929 photos for overlaying and here are the results:    All the upper elements in the overlays overlapped acceptably, but I've cropped the overlays down to make focusing on the 2nd 9 easier. In the top photo (H9 over L9)we see that the H9 is higher by about the thickness of the top of the 9 and to the right about 1/2 the thickness of the loop. The center photo shows the M9 over L9. Here the 9 is mostly moved straight up (less than 1/2 the thickness of the top of the 9. And, finally, the H9 over M9 overlay shows us that the H9 is high by about 1/2 the thickness of the top of the 9 and to the right less than 1/3. Personally, I prefer overlays to lines, though lines can be useful if they're drawn with extreme caution. In some catalogs I've seen lines used badly, causing completely erroneous conclusions. Thanks, again, Numidan. You've finally allowed me to convince myself that there really is a 1929 besides the standard H9 and L9! |
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The High 9 is a very tough coin to find in mint state condition...
"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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United States
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Speaking of tough, how easy is the Medium 9 to find, even in average circulated? I suspect that is going to take several people looking, over a period of time to answer ...
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10/25/2016 10:32 pm
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Tough to answer... 10 years ago, I had over 20 unsorted circulated rolls of 1929 1-cent coins. At the time, a die study never occurred to me - I just pulled out the end members (highest and farthest 9) and sold the rest to a local dealer. On average I found 1.5 high nine coins per roll.. of course, I am kicking myself now for not embarking on a proper study of the series. I managed to find a gem unattributed some time ago, and that was after a LONG hunt http://goccf.com/t/123433"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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time to recheck the cents I might have on that date.
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Pillar of the Community
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OK what would this one be?  MG |
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Viper Your coin is a high 9.Take a piece of paper and run it across The top of last 9 and you will see it is higher than the 1-9-2 and the last 9 intersects with the 2 at the bottom.
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New Member
Canada
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Hello, I posted this in the other thread but it much older. Does this penny look like a high nine or just a regular one?  I just can't tell. Thank you in advance for any help! |
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Regular.
Can't add anything to the ID advice given in this thread, seems to be clear and sufficient to me.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
Edited by DBM
10/26/2016 6:58 pm
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