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1893 Isabella Grade And Thoughts Please.

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 Posted 09/27/2016  6:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add One50 to your friends list
The LCS doesn't like the color. He wants to get rid of it. I will study a few more images of like coins online, then check it out in hand one more time.

I can get it for around $195.00
i would send it to PCGS myself.
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 Posted 09/27/2016  8:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list
Very nice coin .... as others posted ... thinking it looks much better in hand.

For me taking good pictures is hard ... more so on toned coins.
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 Posted 09/28/2016  9:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Buzz Killington to your friends list
Basically, if you're not 100% the surfaces are original and not cleaned, you shouldn't buy it raw.

Grading moderns is nonsense, but grading for old commems like this is essential unless you are an expert yourself.
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 Posted 09/28/2016  9:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Buzz Killington to your friends list
Upon closer inspection of these photos, I think there is a more than 50% chance that it would in fact come back with a details grade for being cleaned.
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 Posted 09/29/2016  05:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list
Based on the images provided, I see an original surfaces lightly circulated AU example. I'm not a particular fan of the dark toning ... but to each their own.

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 Posted 10/13/2016  07:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Debrajc to your friends list


Did you make this purchase One50?
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 Posted 10/13/2016  08:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jolteon1698 to your friends list
Yeah I'm curious as well
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 Posted 10/13/2016  08:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list
I too am curious if a purchase.

If the owner thought he has a MS coin, he may not consider
getting into AU prices.

If it was me .. I would have offered a low AU price ..
maybe even XF price .. just to get at a starting point.
If I felt it would not insult the owner.

Another route is to ask about sending it into NGC first ..

Even though I like the tone on this coin. I think if the
price was in the high AU to MS ... I would wait for a
better coin.
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 Posted 10/20/2016  12:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add One50 to your friends list
Just caught up on reading some posts and wanted to follow up on my thoughts on this coin.

Here's a story, so sit back and relax.

A few months ago I hired a new employee for the warehouse, he's my new controller. Great kid.

So one day at lunch I start talking to him about coins and showed him my pocket piece. Educated him on the basics of coin collecting etc.
He said he has a good friend that's a "HUGH" collector and has been collecting since he was 9.
"Wow" I said, "he must have a nice collection"
My new employee said, "that's an understatement"

"I would love to meet your buddy some day, hook me up", I said.

"Oh...he lives in Florida, doesn't come home much."

"What's he do?" I asked.

"He's a grader for NGC"

My eyes almost blew out of my sockets..."Really"


I asked if I could send him pics to get his thoughts on this coin.
"Absolutely" was the response.

So I sent him these pics to get his thoughts.
He said...High AU, might make low MS in hand.
Hard to tell if it's been cleaned from the photos.
The price is right if it's not cleaned.

SOOOOOOOO
This weekend I hope to convince my wife to head to town and check out some coins. If the LCS will let me purchase said coin with a return policy....I'll pick it up. Send it to my new NGC buddy, who currently has 6 of my coins to "look" at. If he says it's legit and not cleaned, I'll send it in to PCGS to grade

If's it's been cleaned, return it and get my money back.
LCS has a real nice Pilgrim Commem the money would go towards.

That is the current status of this piece.
Stay tuned.




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 Posted 10/20/2016  11:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add terry8835 to your friends list
Sometimes it is hard to tell if a coin has been cleaned. There is difference of opinion about what "cleaning" means. Some people think just dipping a coin and removing little bits of grime with a que tip is cleaning. I guess the safest thing to do is just to not do anything with a coin you buy for serious money. I am wondering why this coin was not slabbed to being with by dealer?
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 Posted 10/20/2016  12:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list
Thanks for the update! It's always nice to track a story!


Collecting history one coin or medal at a time! (c) commems. All rights reserved.
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 Posted 10/20/2016  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Debrajc to your friends list
Thank you for getting us up to date!

till next time
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 Posted 10/22/2016  11:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add One50 to your friends list
This story will now come to an end.
Stopped at the LCS today and asked about the coin and it was sold recently.

Oh well, I didn't come home empty handed I picked up the following coins:
NGC MS70 2004 Lewis&Clark $1
1941D Walking half Raw, I'm guessing MS63 with a little toning
1941S LWC with large MM Raw
1941s LWC with small MM Raw
1942s LWC Raw

I will be posting pics of the the above coins in the appropriate sections soon for grading inquiries.

HEY....
If a CCF member purchased the Isabella in this post, please let us know if it was cleaned and if you had it graded or not.
Post pics too.

Thanks
Dan
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Not the ending we expected, but at least you found something else to fill the void.
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