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Ohh ICCS...you've Got To Be Kidding!!

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 Posted 10/15/2016  11:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tripoli to your friends list
Where is the actual ICCS cert? all I see is a coin in a plastic holder.
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 Posted 10/15/2016  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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 Posted 10/15/2016  11:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paulsz to your friends list
oh man...... I don't know what to say
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 Posted 10/15/2016  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelodeon to your friends list
Ugly for sure, and a huge mistake by ICCS. Not that it matters a lot, but it looks to me that the Portrait of the Queen is original and the remainder of the coin was "blackend" around the Queen and on the reverse. Just a thought.
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 Posted 10/15/2016  1:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twoods to your friends list
Good point about the ribbon not showing any cameo, perhaps this is the most laughable part of the grading...it looks like someone took a low value coin as an experiment to see what they could slide through the grader...
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 Posted 10/15/2016  2:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCoinHunter to your friends list
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 Posted 10/15/2016  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Talonbat to your friends list
Could always be the old switcheroo with the real coin being replaced with this monstrosity. I just can't see ICCS missing so badly with such an obviously doctored coin. Missing something this big is a huge hit to there reputation. Also they are usually decently strict with there various cameo attributions requiring both sides to be equally frosty on real deal coins, obviously they look nothing like this.
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 Posted 10/15/2016  6:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list

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Could always be the old switcheroo with the real coin being replaced with this monstrosity. I just can't see ICCS missing so badly with such an obviously doctored coin. Missing something this big is a huge hit to there reputation. Also they are usually decently strict with there various cameo attributions requiring both sides to be equally frosty on real deal coins, obviously they look nothing like this.


Doubt the switcheroo theory.

ICCS only requires cameo on the obverse. It's PCGS that requires cameo on both sides.

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Yet.... people think I am crazy when I send my best Canadian coins to PCGS...
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 Posted 10/16/2016  12:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list
As the owner of this coin, the nicest of the four UHC MS64s graded, I'm gobstopped knowing that single finest UHC is the POS that is the subject of this thread.
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 Posted 10/16/2016  11:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list

Ohh-ICCS...you've-Got-To-Be-Kidding!!
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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 Posted 10/16/2016  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list
DBM, send that one on the left to ICCS.(lol)

Seriously everyone, I still hold ICCS in the highest regard.

I'll take their grading (for Canadian coins) over anyone else.

Nobody's perfect.

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 Posted 10/16/2016  3:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian-varieties to your friends list
"Yet.... people think I am crazy when I send my best Canadian coins to PCGS..."

SPP-Ottawa...I'm with you 100%...best Canadian coins should be in PCGS holders.

Mid-market stuff I go with either CCCS Hard slab, and for damaged coins ICG Hard Slab

Lower end stuff/junk...ICCS is ok
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 Posted 10/16/2016  3:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list

The dollar on the right was treated to the same swabbing with J&M dip a number of years ago, it's barely noticeable in the pic, it has started to retone. The dollar on the left which I swabbed yesterday still has a bit of shine on the queen, it does not have the matte look of a true cameo.The coin in question appears to have a true matte cameo, I don't believe this effect can be achieved with one or even a few meetings with coin dip, I believe that coin was at least HC before it was rendered ugly.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
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 Posted 10/16/2016  11:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheForce to your friends list
I'm surprised ICCS hasn't jumped on the bandwagon and put coins in PCGS style holders.
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