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 United States
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So here are the pictures folks. I included both the front and back, and the geotagging is off so I'm good. Quick background, this is my first supposedly perfect proof coin Ive bought yet, although I have bought more expensive coins. This PR70 ASE I got for about $88 from APMEX.com. Both front and back. The misstrike is on the front of the coin and its looks pretty obvious. Right above the R and there is a double rim that extends down to the sun. Also, past the R there is a slight double rim in the other direction, although the picture doesn't really show it as I didnt tilt the coin and I dont have the best smartphone camera.   |
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Valued Member
Canada
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Yes I see what you mean! Very nice coin.
For the error experts, what type of mistrial would cause that without affecting the rest of the coin's design?
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Valued Member
United States
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Looking at the coin further, although the picture shows it poorly, there is also a sort of double rim under even the 2016. You can see the knurl right about lady liberty's head. Im certainly no expert but I have two questions. How could PCGS grade such a coin as PR70 to begin with? And two should I send it back to APMEX and get my money back, or is this possibly really something to have professionally examined. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
790 Posts |
Thanks for posting, Jason. Surprised nobody at APMEX caught it either--or maybe they did and didn't think it mattered. Can't wait to see what the experts here say.  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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No error expert....slightly Miss-Aligned Die (MAD)?
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Valued Member
United States
58 Posts |
I have a carson LED loupe(which are great btw) and the back looks picture perfect. A very very slight discrepancy n the back rim though. I would think grading companies would use professional microscopes when grading a coin to be a perfect 70, whether a proof or not. It just kinda puts me off to coin collecting, as I really started to get interested in it recently
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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TPG's use a 7x loupe, no matter what. I'm not an expert, but I have been here to be taught by coop, john, mike, and ken, and also John wexler. This could be something. If you get better pictures of the area in question, we might be able to determine whats up. And don't get your hopes up, because it could be a problem with the holder itself
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Valued Member
United States
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Oh, the pictures I took are with my crappy smartphone, not with the loupe. I just use the loupe to examine in more detail, although I'm looking into investing in a professional microscope. Those two pictures I posted are with a 5 megapixel garden variety smartphone you can buy at Walmart |
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Valued Member
United States
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So guess what..the last comment made me think a little bit and guess what...its the plastic casing...if you tilt it almost as if your looking at the side of the slab,,you can see that its an imperfection of the casing..I used my engineering brain to remember to question everything..
sorry for getting everyones hopes up.... :(
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Rest in Peace
United States
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No problem. It never hurts to ask.
Besides, looking at the pics it does look like something was off.
Anyway, it is a very nice coin. Love those DCAM's.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Its okay, just stick with us and youll learn a lot. And since I forgot before  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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twslisa, sorry to disappoint you but my middle name is Alan, I am a male (and an old one). I have always gone by my given first name, I like it and I use it. From my personal experience there as many males with that spelling of the name as females, but very few of either.
Back on the coin in question here it looks to me that it might have been struct on a damaged planchet. The fact that the line above the R goes through the rim to the left makes me think that the blank may have had a defect that was not wiped out during upsetting. Such an error might still realistically get a 70 grade if the strike itself is "perfect", but I am not sure I would grade it like that (or even what grade I would give such a coin). Damaged planchets are a well recognized type of error and to have one on a proof coin is somewhat special, like my silver proof die error quarter but somewhat of a "lesser error" if that makes any sense. As to value, I am sure that the error adds some value, but getting it labeled as an error may reduce the grade thus negating any value increase. In my case, getting an error attribution can only increase the value of mhy quarter since it was given a PR67 grade to begin with.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Without seeing the coin in hand, what I think you are seeing is the translucent rubber gasket that PCGS used extending over the rim and onto the field (over the R), and creating the "doubled rim" elsewhere. This has fooled a lot of people before.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Conder101, on more careful examination, I see exactly what you mean. Thanks for that great explanation.
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United States
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