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Would like to see both sides of the coins. But to answer your question from what is presented here, I'd say that they are both genuine. The left coin looks like a proof strike and the right coin a business strike.
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Pillar of the Community
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Yes- no tricks.
One is authentic silver weighing 14.94g and one is bogus weighing 16.65g and not silver.
I think my pictures do prove my point. It's not so easy to tell.
And that is my point. How many times do we see photos of coins and a question about authenticity?
Maybe if more members would care to take a guess, I could post the flip sides.
I'm not here to ambush anyone. It's a simple test of confidence in your own ability to look at a coin picture and tell someone if it's legit or not. One of these coins is not legit- but it looks pretty good to me.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I am not sure why more members have to guess before you show the reverse - that does give the impression the intent is to embarrass someone.
So for the sake of seeing the reverses - I will say the coin on the left is real. I have zero to base that on as I am not familiar with this coin.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Here's a pair of different coins easier to tell apart on a photo, but pretty darn equal looking at them in hand. I didn't post the reverses of Italy because one coin is so flashy it's hard to picture. But I'll give it a whirl and post the other sides.  Edited by Albert
12/13/2016 11:34 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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In both sets of pictures, the one on the left is genuine, but the one on the right is fake. Is that right?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Ok here's the other sides. I don't think it's so easy to tell. If anyone is ashamed of getting it wrong then keep it to yourself. I'll post the real and fake later in order to give some time to members to find the topic and form an idea.  Edited by Albert
12/13/2016 3:09 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I will say the left Eritrea coin is genuine. But my point is that when you flop them around in the same light in the same hand. Some devices of the fake coin look more convincing than the genuine coin. So Eritrea is solved and those that thought the left was genuine are correct. Let's leave the Italy coin for a while to see what more members think. There is no trickery. Nothing false or surprising. One Italy is genuine and one is not. Funny thing about this same topic. I can post Venetian Republic, China, Japan or Estonia and you'd be hard pressed to tell right from wrong. The opposite is also true. Some of these fakes are so obvious they are comical or absurd. Others are scary realistic.
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United States
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Well, I have proven myself to be completely incompetent at picking fakes, but here is my guess, along with why. I think that the Italian coin on the left is real primarily because the details are better struck. For example, on the obv, you can see the wrinkles below the ear and his hair has more detail. On the rev, only the coin on the left has the woman with an opposable thumb to hold the torch.
I agree though that both look pretty similar to my eyes. I have pretty low confidence in my evaluation.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The Italian 20 lire on the right of the first picture is fake... reasons being loss of detail in central design and lack of fineness in lettering. In addition, the rim beads near "VELE" are cut off on the outer edge. Taken all together it screams transfer die to me.
It also has that common appearance of modern fakes where one side is purposely cleaned/whizzed/damaged to discourage people from sending them in to the TPGs.
Edited by Numismat
12/13/2016 10:42 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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This is pretty interesting with the different ideas and reasons.
No doubt about the fact that it is not so easy to tell.
One person has emailed me privately and has it right.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It's also a little confusing because the obverse and reverse photos look like the positions are switch. Like, coin on the right in the first photo appears to be the coin on the left in the second.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Yes you are right. The right obverse is the genuine coin and the left reverse is the genuine coin. When I re-visited the camera they were not pictured in the same order.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Ah ok. My initial thought was that that coin had a luster that was like that of the many high quality Chinese fakes that have been spamming ebay. But the reverse looked perfectly fine. This makes sense now :) |
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Pillar of the Community
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Any particular details of either coin of interest to anyone?
I could post close-ups of things like the hair, hand, designers name or legends, etc.
Yeah it wasn't a trick, they just didn't come out the same order when I did the photo-merge.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I got a couple emails for this so here are close-ups of the designer on both coins.  |
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