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Help With Grading & Opinion On Color - 1917 50 Cent Piece

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 Posted 01/06/2017  2:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list
@Pokermandude - hope your opinion is right on...

@dollarman, yes the pics did work for me but I'm also thinking that the color was making others think 'cleaned' so they avoided it. To be honest, I was pretty sure it was but liked the detail. I love these older reverses.. something about them feels warmer than the later dates, especially the 60's upward which I don't really like at all. Not too much creativity going on there. I think it's about time they came up with a new edition for the reverses. Maybe hold a competition.

@Paulz - yeah I think you're right about ICCS

@moxking - thanks, I'm pretty happy with it.

@TaeKenDo - you did good...hahaha
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 Posted 01/06/2017  3:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list
Looks very nice for a 100 year old coin.

AU-50 for me..
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 Posted 01/06/2017  3:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list
@Shafta9a - I didn't think about that - One Century Old !
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 Posted 01/06/2017  3:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list
Well, gee, if this piece can grade ICKS "problem-free" (no cleaning noted)...:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canada-50-C...132025498423


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...it's got terrible eye appeal...

I know the Canadian silver, for whatever reason (alloy, etc.), tends to tone nicely - esp. the .800 George V pieces - but geez, that's way harsh. There are MUCH worse looking/blotchier "tarnished" coins out there. Add to that a minimum of surface digs/hits/ solid rims... and a well-struck crown band (which I think is bumping the piece more of an AU look, rather than the XF+ is probably is overall)... Maybe not THE choicest eye-appeal, but certainly looks better than the piece I linked above.

Anyway, concerning that tone - it does look kind of odd, particularly the portrait side, where has sort of that "sitting on top" look, plus those always curious dead spots with little tone (perhaps where retoning "missed"). The reverse looks more natural, though, with more of a normal circ cameo look, so...?

Looking in hand would be more telling, I'd think. Does the piece have any hint of natural luster remaining on the obverse? With that much meat left to it, even with deep tone, I'd think there should be some remaining luster there if this wasn't stripped and repainted (and not just on the protected areas of the reverse).
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 Posted 01/06/2017  3:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list
Oh, and on the topic of late teens' halves (sorry, 50 Cent pieces in Cananadian) - apparently, this is China fake. Happy Coins to you all:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1918-Canada...322306425989
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Help-With-Grading-&-Opinion-On-Color---1917-50-Cent-Piece
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 Posted 01/06/2017  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list
I can't see luster on the Obv. through the highly reflective rainbow cartwheel effect of it's shininess under the color...so I guess not. But what I do see on the Obv. is what appears to be an old dark toning that should still be dark but is faded & colored over. This is just my wild interpretation of what I'm seeing. The Rev looks much more natural than the Obv. though.

Another thing that might be somewhat significant is the ridges of the coin which are all perfectly clean. No build-up or residue whatsoever & just a hint of colored toning.
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 Posted 01/06/2017  4:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list
That's scary about the 1918... I wouldn't be able to tell and might actually bid on one of these if the seller is not listed from China. Yikes !! :(
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01/06/2017 9:02 pm
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 Posted 01/06/2017  5:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
TaeKenDo - Agree AU-50 at least, with beautiful natural toning. A super example.
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 Posted 01/06/2017  9:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list
I have to agree Coinfrog, I like the colorful toning...must have something to do with where someone is born...haha
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01/06/2017 9:04 pm
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 Posted 01/07/2017  12:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joseph7420 to your friends list
AU-50.
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 Posted 01/07/2017  12:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AgHoarder to your friends list
AU50 all the way and i'd like to add that I find the toning attractive. I would add this coin to my collection any day.

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 Posted 01/07/2017  01:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
Comments on authentic coin:
Toning a little unstable.
This coin after a long time, will patinate to an even, overall gray color.

Beautiful toning, just like most other beautiful things, reverts to showing age after many years.
Beauty has always been in the eye of the beholder.

Some say (besides me), that the decision to buy should be based on grade alone.
Edited by sel_69l
01/07/2017 06:15 am
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 Posted 01/07/2017  3:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list
Nice AU50 TaeKenDo.
Definitely a candidate for ICCS submission.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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 Posted 01/07/2017  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list
Thanks for all the opinions coming from you eagle-eyes. Very likely will be sent to ICCS but I like the color & details so she's a keeper for now.
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 Posted 01/07/2017  6:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list
I wouldn't send it in .. you know what you have and, if you like it, holder it yourself. I'd say 45-50. The cost to certify it (if they will) is a large percentage of what the coin is worth or could be sold for.
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