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Pillar of the Community
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It seems to me that one distinguishing factor is the inside of the bottom curve. One angles up much more. 003 does not have that upward sloping steep angle. Yours looks much closer to 002
Edited by Pete2226 01/11/2017 6:41 pm
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Thanks for the reply coop. I appreciate this! I do see that. But again couldn't that be changed if the mark gets smash down? The whole mark is fatter, except for the front top outside curve where it is shorter and with out the serif. not like 002. Also the bottom outside of the ball end is angled upward not vertical. If started as an 002, I would assume the ball at the bottom would be even larger (taller due to the serif). If the whole mark got smashed wouldn't the top curve also be wider and taller compared to 002? Just like the bottom got distorted? I guess just trying to get answers so I will be better informed on my next coin I trouble you with! So far you have confirmed two good coins and confirmed 2 as nothing special for me. I do feel very confident at recognizing machine damage and die doubling from your help!
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Maybe full images of obverse and reverse will help.
Though the MM images show heavy circulation so markers maybe worn away. Also markers would be pending the die state it was struck with as well. Thanks, Doug.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Well there was only one die that was the MMS-002 for that year. So the location of the mint mark would have to be identical to be a match for 002. The MMS-003 the rest of the dies that year were these examples. So the locations will vary.
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Well if thats the case then compare my location of mint mark with 003s and the 002. mine is closer to the location of the 002, more left of center and front angles back a little like 002.
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Quote: Well if thats the case then compare my location of mint mark with 003s and the 002. Coop brought up a good point about MM location. I already took that into account, before asking for more images. We have to take into account the MM and surrounding elements are a bit distorted from circulation. The MM location of yours and the location of the two examples MMS-002 images I've compared to, seem quite similar. That said the location is similar to one MMS-003 as well. Thanks, Doug.
Edited by Halo1st 01/12/2017 1:00 pm
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Thanks 3193zd. Was hoping the full images might reveal more despite the circulation wear, but seems to be to worn for aiding in a positive ID.
If any of the three die cracks or other markers were originally present I can't positively ID them from the added pics. Thanks, Doug.
Edited by Halo1st 01/12/2017 4:51 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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Looks like a match to MMS-002. The side by side shows they are in the same location. But to get it ID for sure, with the circulation it puts it in doubt. 
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks coop for the side by side.  I did overlays which seemed pretty spot on to me, but were not a worthy means of posting or illustrating to others. I'm about ready to upgrade or down grade my PSE9 so I can add "straight" vector lines for similar illustrations. Thanks, Doug.
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I again appreciate all the feedback. An interesting coin and a fun journey! Do you think if I sent it in I could get an opinion? Or would they not make a decision? What are the known 002's worth? I understand the difference of value based on condition. I really am a stamp collector. Coin collector just recently since father-in-law wanted me to sell his quarter hoard for spot silver prices. I couldn't do it!
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I got the guy from http://www.varietyvista.com/ to chime in. His response; Mike: Your coin is MMS-002, the rare variety. The grade will limit the premium value, but it is the cherrypicker's FS-501. Congradulations! Thanks, James Wiles
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Bedrock of the Community
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The grades don't go as low as the grade for your coin. But I bet you would be surprised how much in comparison as to a normal one in that condition. Probably 5X the value of one in the same grade.
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Pillar of the Community
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I enjoy being right on occasion!  Congratulations!  
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Thanks Pete! This makes 10 cool coins out of this lot so far! I sold a die cracked quarter for $20 the other day. I have over 200 still to list!
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