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Rookie Here Who Needs Some Help On A Dicey Situation With A Coin Shop!

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 Posted 01/19/2017  06:50 am  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
This is quite a common occurrence in day to day life. If I remember , first year contract law. The Seller has what is called a " "Frustrated Contract" due to mistake. It is unenforceable .The buyer had every right to stop the cheque when the mistake was discovered. The seller has two options , get his silver back and return the voided cheque and cash. Or fix it up to the proper amount.
This situation is similar to a bank machine handed out an extra 500 . You can't keep the money legally.
This post does beg questions though. Where the heck do you live where the requirement of positive id is not required when buying and selling precious metals .
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 Posted 01/19/2017  09:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BigSilver to your friends list

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Where the heck do you live where the requirement of positive id is not required when buying and selling precious metals

I sold 100 oz. of silver on Monday without showing any ID. I don't think that is so uncommon.
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 Posted 01/19/2017  11:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twinkinator to your friends list
I agree with what seems to be the consensus - definitely have the dealer pay for overdraft fees and any other fees incurred. I would see if you two can agree on a new price, and if not, perhaps try selling elsewhere this time.
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 Posted 01/19/2017  12:05 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
Yes it is very uncommon and probably a violation of a City bylaw in 99.99 % of most civilized places in North America.
There are even HOLD requirements in a lot of cities of up to 30 days .
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 Posted 01/19/2017  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list
Sounds like he calculated his payment on 100 ounces of silver; a bone-headed but not malicious mistake. I'd settle for the additional $200 plus overdraft fee and let it go.
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 Posted 01/19/2017  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdmern to your friends list

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Yes it is very uncommon and probably a violation of a City bylaw in 99.99 % of most civilized places in North America.
There are even HOLD requirements in a lot of cities of up to 30 days .


Exactly. The shop where I buy from quite a bit has to hold anything they buy over the counter with any precious metal content for 14 Days (Plus have a photo ID of the seller on file)
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 Posted 01/19/2017  1:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list
so what was the outcome? Seems like a mistake on the part of the shop
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 Posted 01/19/2017  5:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list

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Sounds like he calculated his payment on 100 ounces of silver; a bone-headed but not malicious mistake. I'd settle for the additional $200 plus overdraft fee and let it go.




You may not have known the value of your silver before you sold it but you most certainly are aware now that the buyer made a huge mistake and paid you Double the going rate.
The Honest and Right thing to do is to accept the extra $200 or give the money back in return for your Silver.
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 Posted 01/20/2017  10:35 am  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list
You got lots of good advice. What did you decide to do?
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 Posted 01/20/2017  5:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chute72 to your friends list
My first question, (and I am a suspicious person,) is why did he split the payment and not give you all cash or all check? Best case scenario is to return the cash and check and receive the same silver in return. I hate these confrontations, but if left unattended, it only encourages them to do the same thing to another guy. I hope it works out well for you, it was not your mistake. Surely if you had sold it for way less than market value, you would not have the advantage of a Frustrated Contract.
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 Posted 01/20/2017  5:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list
@Chute72, the payment was likely split because they were short of cash. My LCS may temporarily be short of cash if they had a lot of buys recently.
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 Posted 01/25/2017  7:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 4504 to your friends list
I dunno. my local coin shop would bend you over to screw ya if they could. let's say they way underpaid you... would they make it up to you? I doubt it. I really do.

personally, I would just split the difference. like the man says, if an atm starts spitting out $20's, it is not really yours... but still, he should pay something over and above what it was really worth to compensate you for all the trouble it caused you.

at my shop you need an id for any kind of transaction, and it is written out on the receipt so as to minimize any slip-ups.

I am not saying you should be able to keep ALL of it... but I am saying that if he sized you up as an ignorant and paid you only $10 an oz., I doubt that the shop would make it up to you to even near spot price. so why should the shop get clean away?

at my shop, they are pretty clear of what they will pay by way of a large billboard and signs, so it is hard to make an error on either side.

if you take him to court for the whole amount he paid you, the judge will problably think you are greedy and rule against you.
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 Posted 01/25/2017  9:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Steele to your friends list

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Yes it is very uncommon and probably a violation of a City bylaw in 99.99 % of most civilized places in North America.
There are even HOLD requirements in a lot of cities of up to 30 days .

not here
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 Posted 01/26/2017  08:19 am  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list

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he should pay something over and above what it was really worth to compensate you for all the trouble it caused you.


If you sell 50 things, but get paid for 100 things, you are not entitled to the money for the extra 50 things. Making an over payment, does not mean the receiver gets to keep it.

It is not the coin shop's fault if the seller spends money they should not have been paid, then gets burned with fees because of it.

I think the seller (husker) came here looking for support for the idea that the buyer (coin shop) shouldn't have the right to stop payment on the check. I do not buy the fact that because someone is "new" they "had no idea" that their 50 troy ounces of silver wasn't worth $1,650 instead of $825. The price of silver is readily available and so are calculators.

I have the feeling that the seller knew they were overpaid, and perhaps spent that money wrongly thinking that it wouldn't be recoverable if spent. They wouldn't be in this position if they had let the coin shop know that they were being overpaid.
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 Posted 01/27/2017  4:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Buddy to your friends list

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I think the seller (husker) came here looking for support for the idea that the buyer (coin shop) shouldn't have the right to stop payment on the check. I do not buy the fact that because someone is "new" they "had no idea" that their 50 troy ounces of silver wasn't worth $1,650 instead of $825. The price of silver is readily available and so are calculators.


And I don't think the dealer is responsible for overdraft fees. We all have to wait for deposited checks to clear.
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